
The Better Travel Podcast
Paige McClanahan
Hosted by Paige McClanahan, a journalist and life-long traveler, The Better Travel Podcast will help you understand travel and tourism from the inside out.
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#2.7 What should travelers know about Airbnb?
The Better Travel Podcast
03/03/22 • 38 min
This week, we’re exploring a topic that’s on the minds of a lot of travelers these days: short-term tourist rentals, which is a service offered by a lot of companies, but perhaps the most well known is Airbnb.
First up, Dr. Daniel Guttentag of the College of Charleston joins the show to explain why short-term rentals hold so much appeal, and to tell us how these kinds of services have evolved over the years. He also describes some of the impacts of short-term rentals and offers some advice for travelers who are looking to have a positive impact when they book a rental stay.
Next, Paige speaks to Jonathan Reyes, co-founder of a cooperative called Fairbnb that is taking a collaborative approach to offering rented tourist accommodation in popular destinations in Europe and beyond.
Plus, listen up for a few snippets from Paige’s recent trip to Florence with her family.
Thank you so much for listening!
Resources
Donation page for the UN Refugee Agency's work to support Ukrainian families
Dr. Daniel Guttentag and his research on Airbnb
Paige’s 2021 story on Airbnb in Barcelona for The New York Times (unlocked link)
A 2016 article in The Guardian about Fairbnb

#12: Rick Steves on traveling as a political act
The Better Travel Podcast
12/09/21 • 55 min
For the final episode of Season One, we are delighted to bring you a conversation with American travel legend Rick Steves. Rick is a guidebook author, television and radio host, and the owner of a tour company that has brought hundreds of thousands of travelers to Europe over the years. On the show, Rick speaks passionately about how travel can be a powerful force for peace and human understanding, and he shares what he’s learned about what it’s like to travel during the pandemic.
Toward the end of the episode, Paige speaks to Craig Davidson, the Chief Operating Officer of Rick’s tour company, Rick Steves’ Europe. Craig explains how the company is taking action on climate change.
Thank you so much for listening. We’ll be back in January with the launch of Season Two!
Resources
Free access to all of Rick’s television shows, articles and radio programs
Rick’s program on the Holy Land
Paige’s Q&A with Rick Steves in The New York Times (unlocked)
Rick Steves’ Europe Climate-Smart Commitment
Rick's book, "Travel as a Political Act"
New York Times article on the Glasgow Declaration for Climate Action in Tourism (unlocked)
The full transcript of this episode is available on The Better Travel Podcast website

#9: On moving overseas and being a better resident abroad, with Jason Moore
The Better Travel Podcast
11/18/21 • 50 min
My guest this week is Jason Moore, host of the Zero to Travel podcast and an American living in Norway. Jason talks about what it means to throw yourself into another culture; he describes some of the challenges that he experienced in adjusting to life in his adopted country; and he shares how living abroad can reveal some really important things about ourselves.
Listen up toward the end of our conversation, when Jason offers his three pieces of advice for how you can be a better resident of your adopted home.
Are you thinking of making a move overseas, or are you already living outside of your home country? How is that going for you? Or what’s keeping you from taking the leap? I’d love to hear your thoughts and hope you’ll share by sending me a voice message.
Thanks so much for listening and hope you have a great week!
Resources
Jason’s Location Indie community
The Four-Hour Work Week, book by Timothy Ferriss
Transitions: Making Sense of Life’s Changes, book by William Bridges
When Paige was a guest on Jason’s podcast
Episode partner
Intrepid Travel is a global tour operator that has been taking adventurous travelers to the world’s most amazing places for more than 30 years. The world’s largest B-Certified travel company, Intrepid is a global leader in responsible travel. Learn more at www.intrepidtravel.com.
Thanks so much to Intrepid for supporting the show this week!

#11: A conversation with New York Times Travel Editor Amy Virshup
The Better Travel Podcast
12/02/21 • 48 min
This week, New York Times Travel Editor Amy Virshup joins the show to talk about managing the paper’s travel coverage during the pandemic. She shares how the NYT’s signature 52 Places List is going to look different in 2022, and describes what the future might hold for the paper’s much-loved 36 Hours series.
Amy also describes how she’s developed a new relationship with her readers during the pandemic, and explains the NYT policy of not working with travel writers who accept free trips. She wraps up by telling us what she’s looking for in pitches from journalists for next year.
Are you a reader of New York Times Travel? What have you thought of the section’s coverage during the pandemic? I’d love to hear your thoughts and hope you’ll share by sending me a voice message.
Thanks so much for listening and have a great week!
NYT articles mentioned in the show
52 Places, Virtually (unlocked)
Paris on Foot: 35 Miles, 6 Days and One Blistered Toe (unlocked)
Hunting for the Real Pasta all’Amatriciana (unlocked)
What to Do This Summer: Chapel Hill, N.C. (unlocked)
36 Hours in ... Wherever You Are? (unlocked)
NYT Travel’s 36 Hours series

#8: Pushing for change from within the travel industry, with Zina Bencheikh
The Better Travel Podcast
11/11/21 • 47 min
This week, we hear from a big player in the travel industry that’s serious about sustainability. Zina Bencheick is Managing Director for Europe, the Middle East and Africa of Intrepid Travel, a global tour operator that took more than 460,000 people on trips in 2019. Intrepid is also the world’s largest travel company to have earned B Corp certification, a rigorous standard that measures companies’ social and environmental performance, public transparency, and legal accountability.
Zina joins the show to talk about misconceptions around the term “sustainable travel,” the importance of vaccine equity, and what travel companies can do to reduce their carbon emissions. She also shares how tourism has opened up new job opportunities for women in her home country of Morocco.
Are you looking to plan a trip for next year? What issues are you thinking about, or what questions would you have for a tour operator? I’d love to hear your thoughts and hope you’ll share by sending me a voice message.
Thanks so much for listening, and have a great week!
Resources
Intrepid Travel on being a responsible traveler and a responsible business
What is B Corp certification?
Follow Zina on Twitter
Paige’s Q&A with Rick Steves in The New York Times (unlocked article)

#4: Hawaii travel with John De Fries
The Better Travel Podcast
10/14/21 • 36 min
Hawaii had a record-breaking number of visitors in 2019, and now the Islands are thinking about how they want to manage tourism in the years ahead.
John De Fries is the President and CEO of the Hawaii Tourism Authority, and he’s the first Native Hawaiian to hold the position. John joins the podcast to talk about what it was like growing up in Waikiki in the 1950s, what was so hard about the summer of 2021, and what he wants all visitors to the Islands to think about before they arrive.
Also, listen up for a special bonus segment in which Paige embarrasses herself while trying to learn a foreign phrase...
Have you been to Hawaii recently? What was it like? Or if you live in Hawaii, how do you feel about tourism in the state? I’d love to hear about your experience and hope you’ll share by sending me a voice message.
Thank you so much for listening!
Resources
Hawaii Tourism Authority website
Links to Hawaii’s Destination Management Plans
Honolulu Star-Advertiser article, “Native Hawaiian leaders call new Oahu tourism plan ‘step in the right direction,’ but execution is key”

Season Two Trailer
The Better Travel Podcast
01/13/22 • 1 min
We love to travel, and we want to make sure that our travels have a positive impact on the world. The Better Travel Podcast dives into fascinating and complex topics when it comes to travel – and it’s all with the aim of helping you become a smarter, better traveler.
Hosted by Paige McClanahan, a journalist and life-long traveler, The Better Travel Podcast will help you understand travel and tourism from the inside out.
Subscribe now to listen to Season 2, which launches on January 20.
https://www.bettertravelpodcast.com/

#2.12 Can tourism combat poverty?
The Better Travel Podcast
04/14/22 • 44 min
For the Season 2 finale, Paige speaks to Bruce Poon Tip, who is both the founder of a major adventure travel company and an executive producer of “The Last Tourist,” an award-winning documentary that makes the case for why we need to dramatically rethink the way we travel.
Bruce shares the film’s origin story and explains why he wanted the movie to convey a message of hope: that travel — done right — can bring wealth into some of the world’s poorest areas, creating jobs and alleviating poverty.
Bruce also talks about G Adventures, the travel company he founded in 1990, and shares the company’s innovative approach to making sure they give back to the communities they visit.
Plus, listen up for a (somewhat spicy) language lesson in Greek!
That’s a wrap on Season 2! Thank you so much for listening. We hope you’ll follow along on Instagram or Twitter to stay in the loop for Season 3!
Resources
The Last Tourist website (includes links to streaming services)
Information on the G Adventures Ripple Score

#3.12 Courage, joy and storytelling at Charleston's new African American museum
The Better Travel Podcast
02/09/23 • 31 min
We’re wrapping up Season 3 with a moving conversation with Dr. Tonya Matthews, the president and CEO of the International African American Museum (IAAM), which is due to open in Charleston, South Carolina later this year.
Dr. Matthews talks about the inspiration for the museum; how the museum approaches storytelling; and how she hopes the museum will inspire courage in its visitors. She also shares how the IAAM will help to shape Charleston’s tourism landscape.
Plus, listen up at the end of the episode, when Paige offers a preview of what to expect for Season 4.
Thanks so much for listening!
Links and things
The IAAM website: https://iaamuseum.org/
Paige’s interview with Dr. Matthews for The New York Times (unlocked link): bit.ly/3I9T4gg
IAAM on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iaamuseum/
IAAM on Twitter: https://twitter.com/iaamuseum

#2.2 Can tourism help us understand the history of slavery in the United States?
The Better Travel Podcast
01/27/22 • 43 min
This week, we hear from experts at the Whitney Plantation and Monticello -- two tourist sites that are at the frontlines of contemporary discussions about the experiences of enslaved people and the role of slavery in the United States.
Dr. Joy Banner, Director of Communications at the Whitney Plantation in Louisiana, describes how the site has created a visitor experience that centers the lives of the enslaved people who lived on the plantation.
Justin Bates, a historical interpreter at Thomas Jefferson’s home of Monticello, shares how he and his colleagues teach guests about the contradictions of Jefferson’s life: that he was both the drafter of the Declaration of Independence and a lifelong slave owner who espoused racist views.
We hope this episode gives you some good food for thought, and we would love to hear your reactions. You can reach out by sending us a voice message or saying hello on social media.
Thank you so much for listening!
Resources
The Whitney Plantation website
“Building the first slavery museum in America,” The New York Times Magazine, Feb. 2015 (unlocked link)
Monticello website
The book that inspired this episode: How the Word is Passed: A reckoning with the history of slavery across America, by Clint Smith
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How many episodes does The Better Travel Podcast have?
The Better Travel Podcast currently has 39 episodes available.
What topics does The Better Travel Podcast cover?
The podcast is about Places & Travel, Society & Culture and Podcasts.
What is the most popular episode on The Better Travel Podcast?
The episode title '#3.11 How travelers can invest in the atmosphere' is the most popular.
What is the average episode length on The Better Travel Podcast?
The average episode length on The Better Travel Podcast is 37 minutes.
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Episodes of The Better Travel Podcast are typically released every 7 days.
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The first episode of The Better Travel Podcast was released on Sep 27, 2021.
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