
Hachig Kazarian: Detroit's Clarinet Virtuoso
06/20/19 • 44 min
Aram interviews Hachig Kazarian from Detroit, whose clarinet defines the Armenian-American clarinet sound which shaped the musical experiences of entire generations of Diaspora Armenians living in the United States for much of the 20th century. Having attended the famed Juilliard School of Music in the 60’s, Kazarian was a key member of the widely acclaimed “Kef Time bands”. Kazarian’s music fuses Middle Eastern melody and rhythm with a Big Band sound, defined by his virtuosic improvisation and command of the clarinet – and is particularly notable for his ability to mind meld with many oud masters of his time.
Topics include:
- Kazarian’s introduction to Middle Eastern clarinet music through Zurnaji Haig in Detroit, Michigan, and the traditional village dances that actually had lyrics to them and how he learned each region’s songs for different crowds that would hire him to perform.
- Discussion of the lack of awareness of the origin of many of these songs.
- Kazarian learned exclusively Armenian songs at first, but then broadened to various styles of Middle Eastern music such as Turkish and Greek music over time by ear and through schooling.
- As a youngster, Kazarian was an outlier in terms of the ages of musicians that performed in his style.
- Kozani Bar and the Lafayette Bar were mainstays of the Greektown music scene where Kazarian networked, performed with and listened to performers. Aside from Jimmy Nazaretian and a Bulgarian santur player, the musicians were exclusively Greek.
- Discussion of the Armenian custom and practice of learning, mastering and being interested in music of other cultures.
- Kazarian then dedicated his time to classical music and studied this motif at the prestigious prep school for performing arts – Cass Tech (Diana Ross and other Temptations members were students that were Kazarian’s peers at Cass Tech). Kazarian credits much of his early learning and improvement to his time at Cass Tech.
- Discussion of early use of quarter tones and lack of knowledge on the topic.
- Lack of musical development in Armenian music due to weakened nationhood – and the adoption of Soviet Armenian sponsored folk music and the adaptation of this kind of music. Also, with a lack of material, original music was arranged and added to repertoires for bands.
- Kazarian wanted to play in a symphony orchestra setting, and began studies at Julliard. He funded his living expenses by playing in middle eastern music club such as Egyptian Gardens, Arabian Nights, Istanbul, Port Said, the Britannia, Kifisya and others – and all the clubs were very diverse and international – but a common language of Turkish given all the cultures and geography of their ancestry. Port Said would have luminaries like Leonard Bernstein drop in to check out the music.
- Kazarian would give legend Udi Hrant a ride home after his performances, and shares some stories on interacting with him, including almost going to the Catskills with Hrant at age 13 to learn the basics of middle eastern music. The Catskills generally referred to getting away from the city in a retreat like recreational setting for Armenian and Greek families on the East Coast of the US – and some of the young musicians got their start in this setting performing and gaining experience.
- Discussion of the Kef Time recordings and moving to Las Vegas with Richard Hagopian and Buddy Sarkissian after Kazarian graduated from school. Good times at the Flamingo, the Bonanza and the Frontier Hotel.
- Kazarian then spent time in California in San Francisco, Fresno and the surrounding towns playing in middle eastern night clubs. Then Jack Chalikian got involved with the group on kanun as well. Recordings were made in the Kef Time vein for Las Vegas, Fresno, Hartford and Detroit.
- Kazarian developed his own unique style over time by listening to various recordings and practicing his own technique of playing “neat and clean”. He advised against copying which can lead to exaggeration in playing style.
- Kazarian would watch the muzrab hand of the oud player to gauge timing and rhythm, and would mimic this movement – especially for establishing meter.
- Kazarian places importance on feel and embellishment as most of the songs are simple in his opinion, and advises listening to as much as one can in different styles, and learn your instrument to the point where you know a song well enough that it becomes second nature. Practice slow to “say something musically”, as meaningful music tends to not be as fast. Learn music theory and expand your vocabulary. The awareness needed when playing in a group.
Aram interviews Hachig Kazarian from Detroit, whose clarinet defines the Armenian-American clarinet sound which shaped the musical experiences of entire generations of Diaspora Armenians living in the United States for much of the 20th century. Having attended the famed Juilliard School of Music in the 60’s, Kazarian was a key member of the widely acclaimed “Kef Time bands”. Kazarian’s music fuses Middle Eastern melody and rhythm with a Big Band sound, defined by his virtuosic improvisation and command of the clarinet – and is particularly notable for his ability to mind meld with many oud masters of his time.
Topics include:
- Kazarian’s introduction to Middle Eastern clarinet music through Zurnaji Haig in Detroit, Michigan, and the traditional village dances that actually had lyrics to them and how he learned each region’s songs for different crowds that would hire him to perform.
- Discussion of the lack of awareness of the origin of many of these songs.
- Kazarian learned exclusively Armenian songs at first, but then broadened to various styles of Middle Eastern music such as Turkish and Greek music over time by ear and through schooling.
- As a youngster, Kazarian was an outlier in terms of the ages of musicians that performed in his style.
- Kozani Bar and the Lafayette Bar were mainstays of the Greektown music scene where Kazarian networked, performed with and listened to performers. Aside from Jimmy Nazaretian and a Bulgarian santur player, the musicians were exclusively Greek.
- Discussion of the Armenian custom and practice of learning, mastering and being interested in music of other cultures.
- Kazarian then dedicated his time to classical music and studied this motif at the prestigious prep school for performing arts – Cass Tech (Diana Ross and other Temptations members were students that were Kazarian’s peers at Cass Tech). Kazarian credits much of his early learning and improvement to his time at Cass Tech.
- Discussion of early use of quarter tones and lack of knowledge on the topic.
- Lack of musical development in Armenian music due to weakened nationhood – and the adoption of Soviet Armenian sponsored folk music and the adaptation of this kind of music. Also, with a lack of material, original music was arranged and added to repertoires for bands.
- Kazarian wanted to play in a symphony orchestra setting, and began studies at Julliard. He funded his living expenses by playing in middle eastern music club such as Egyptian Gardens, Arabian Nights, Istanbul, Port Said, the Britannia, Kifisya and others – and all the clubs were very diverse and international – but a common language of Turkish given all the cultures and geography of their ancestry. Port Said would have luminaries like Leonard Bernstein drop in to check out the music.
- Kazarian would give legend Udi Hrant a ride home after his performances, and shares some stories on interacting with him, including almost going to the Catskills with Hrant at age 13 to learn the basics of middle eastern music. The Catskills generally referred to getting away from the city in a retreat like recreational setting for Armenian and Greek families on the East Coast of the US – and some of the young musicians got their start in this setting performing and gaining experience.
- Discussion of the Kef Time recordings and moving to Las Vegas with Richard Hagopian and Buddy Sarkissian after Kazarian graduated from school. Good times at the Flamingo, the Bonanza and the Frontier Hotel.
- Kazarian then spent time in California in San Francisco, Fresno and the surrounding towns playing in middle eastern night clubs. Then Jack Chalikian got involved with the group on kanun as well. Recordings were made in the Kef Time vein for Las Vegas, Fresno, Hartford and Detroit.
- Kazarian developed his own unique style over time by listening to various recordings and practicing his own technique of playing “neat and clean”. He advised against copying which can lead to exaggeration in playing style.
- Kazarian would watch the muzrab hand of the oud player to gauge timing and rhythm, and would mimic this movement – especially for establishing meter.
- Kazarian places importance on feel and embellishment as most of the songs are simple in his opinion, and advises listening to as much as one can in different styles, and learn your instrument to the point where you know a song well enough that it becomes second nature. Practice slow to “say something musically”, as meaningful music tends to not be as fast. Learn music theory and expand your vocabulary. The awareness needed when playing in a group.
Previous Episode

Joseph Tayoun: Philly's Middle Eastern Music Scene
Joseph Tayoun, an accomplished percussionist and educator specializing in Middle Eastern and World music based in Philadelphia discusses the history of Philadelphia's Middle East Night Club, his experience playing in a multitude of world music projects and his Star Trek Party band, The Roddenberries, upcoming release.
Topics include:
- Tayoun as the torchbearer of the Philadelphia middle eastern music scene, an accomplished percussionist and the time spent at his family’s establishment “The Middle East” restaurant as part of the trendy middle eastern music scene.
- Discussion of the diverse array of middle eastern cultures playing music together.
- Tayoun’s background starting up as a drummer playing with various musicians of different backgrounds.
- Belly dancing and live music 7 nights a week was truly a special time for Tayoun as a youngster
- Tayoun’s father played the oud and he was immersed in live performance of Arabs, Armenians, Turks, Greeks, etc.
- Ray Merjanian (oud), Najib Nassar (organ), Chick Ganimian (oud) and Tayoun played with Chick when Tayoun was only 14 years old. Chick was known for his expressive and unique style of playing featuring syncopation and Tayoun was impacted greatly by this. Chick also played with Herbie Mann.
- Tayoun also played with Farhak Alpar (Saz), Garip (violin), Edmund Joseph (percussion/vocals), Joseph Budway (oud), Bobby Sarkissian (clarinet) and various others.
- The Middle East restaurant was the music hub for this style for many years (along with Café Yaz) until about 1997, and how some other restaurants offered late night music (Greek spots like Little Pete’s and also Buffalo Bills in West Philadelphia), and the emergence of the Nile restaurant. The Middle East booked shows with No Doubt and Bo Diddley, in addition to the standard Middle Eastern scene.
- Edmund Joseph’s arrival from Iran and his impact on the Middle Eastern music scene in both Philadelphia and New York City.
- Tayoun’s early years developing as a percussionist watching his father and the older musicians, and starting with tambourine and then percussion.
- Hamid Dolbashi’s performances with ney and zurna and his command of the music and how easily he fit in with other musicians.
- Tayoun’s time playing music with his future brother-in-law Roger Mgrdichian, and their strong onstage chemistry.
- Going from rock to fusion, with projects like Barakka and also Jaffna which features a tabla, oud and guitar, and how this has had an impact on his playing and keeping him sharp.
- Tayoun works with emotionally disturbed children in Morrisville, PA and shares his music and drumming which is very beneficial to the brain.
- Works with various musicians from all over the world, including Chinese and even sci-fi related artists (a Star Trek tribute band named “The Roddenberries”) at Fringe Festival.
- For the 50th Anniversary of the creation of Star Trek, Rod Roddenberry (Gene Roddenberry’s son) hired Tayoun and the band to perform in Las Vegas.
- Tayoun’s advice for playing percussion in the Middle Eastern style.
- The upcoming Middle East tribute night at Frankie Bradleys on June 13th with live music and belly dancers
- The upcoming CD Release party on June 27th at the World Cafe Live in Philadelphia for The Roddenberries
Next Episode

Danny Shamoun: Drums, Darbuka & Ney
Danny Shamoun, a Los-Angeles based multi-instrumentalist originally hailing from Detroit, discusses how he started with Middle Eastern Music and transitioned to performing with System of a Down (SOAD), joining Scars of Broadway as a keyboardist, learning the Arabian Ney Flute and the impact of music theory and Makam modal based music.
Topics include:
- Discussion of how Shamoun’s interest in music blossomed early, from the very young age of 3 with listening and watching to an Ibraham Tatlises video
- Shamoun’s youth in Detroit featured exposure to various ethnic groups like Chaldeans, Lebanese, Syrians, etc., and his parents frequently attended Arabic music banquets as opposed to rock concerts like what he saw others doing around him
- Shamoun was impacted by seeing musicians and their lifestyle and that influenced his interest in music, and he also noticed a little bit of “funk” from the music scene which piqued his interest
- At a local community festival, Shamoun was goaded into playing the dumbek on stage with the Levendes, a prominent Greek ensemble based out of the Detroit area, and he started to take note of the various time signatures and began learning about Greek music and prominent Greek singers
- Over time, Shamoun took his practicing quite seriously, and began studying with Johnny Seduwet to learn music theory which prepared him very well for the rest of his musical career
- Shamoun later traveled from Detroit to California and became involved in the music scene through an introduction to hard rock band One Side Zero, where he was able to meet and work with Ray Mayorga and was also introduced to John Dolmayan from System of a Down, and other bands such as Viza and The Apex Theory, and even a brush with Metallica
- Shamoun was invited to perform with System of a Down on stage to do a dumbek solo during various shows, which was a very inspirational to him as an aspiring musician, which led to his relationship with System guitarist Daron Malakian and his eventual work with Malakian’s side project Scars on Broadway
- Shamoun began working with System with PA work and Malakian’s guitar pedal controls during System concerts, which really helped him learn about production and sound, and became good friends with Mike Bordin from Faith No More as they all toured together
- Shamoun then began work with Scars on Broadway, and expanded from dumbek and percussion to keyboard playing to round out the band’s sound
- Shamoun came full circle from his music theory training with Seduwet as a youth and applied his knowledge on the keyboard, including his makam training which he could play on his Yamaha PSR 62 (which can play quarter tones), and then began taking piano lessons at the suggestion of Malakian and studied with Howard Richmond in Los Angeles which improved his playing
- Shamoun really focused on practicing and studying and preparing for Scars recordings and tours
- Discussion of Shamoun as a unique musician with his background and involvement in both middle eastern music and rock music
- Shamoun then turned his attention to the Ney (Middle Eastern flute), which expanded his musical horizons dramatically and Shamoun recorded Ney on Viza’s Aria record
- Ali Jihad Rasy at UCLA took Shamoun under his wing where Shamoun was able to key in on his Ney playing and also Shamoun started scoring films, in particular for a movie named “The Queen of the Desert” with such actors as Nicole Kidman, Daniel Day Lewis and James Franco
- Shamoun recently released an original song and music video where his percussion and Ney work are featured in “Seaside Sultress”, part of his ambient music projects for film scoring
- Shamoun’s group “The Global Trance Ensemble” is on various social media platforms
- Shamoun also worked at a studio in Detroit where he ran in to master kanunist Ara Topouzian which involved so much experience learning about studio life and techniques which had an enormous impact on his musical development
- Discussion of the uniqueness of the Ney with a double reed sound and embouchure technique which is exceedingly difficult to make a tone on the Ney, and the similarities in spirit of the “fresh water” instruments made of wood such as the oud
- Podcast listeners can enjoy the end of the podcast which features Shamoun’s track “Seaside Sultress”
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