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Surviving the Music Industry

Surviving the Music Industry

American Songwriter

Sit down with legends, risers, songwriters, session musicians, industry execs, etc., as they recount their biggest hits, past failures, battling addictions, racism, sexism, bankruptcies, foreclosures, and even homelessness to get where they are today. All the while host, Brandon Harrington, is still trying to survive the music industry.
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Goodpods has curated a list of the 10 best Surviving the Music Industry episodes, ranked by the number of listens and likes each episode have garnered from our listeners. If you are listening to Surviving the Music Industry for the first time, there's no better place to start than with one of these standout episodes. If you are a fan of the show, vote for your favorite Surviving the Music Industry episode by adding your comments to the episode page.

Surviving the Music Industry - Matt Urmy and John Craigie

Matt Urmy and John Craigie

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10/23/18 • 77 min

Songwriting, stolen weed, and growing your career with John Craigie and Matt Urmy. First, John Craigie jumps in to talk about expectations of connections but a couple of things you should know is that John is a songwriter armed with wit and truth. “the lovechild of John Prine and Mitch Hedberg.” describes him perfectly. Recently John released a song with Jack Johnson, “I Wrote Mr. Tamborine Man”. We talk about the power of lyrics and the first line, songwriting, and even types of writing songs. In 2018 his studio album Scarecrow was released and hailed as transparent and truthful which is a constant in his life. Be sure to visit www.johncraigiemusic.com for upcoming tour dates including his #KeepItWarm tour and new music, and follow him at @johncraigie. Matt Urmy talks about his perspective of songwriting, entrepreneurship, and owning your career. When Urmy was four years old his family moved to Nashville, TN, where he lived until college. He graduated with a BA in creative writing from UT, Knoxville, and an MFA in poetry from Spalding University in Louisville, KY. He has also studied traditional healing practices with the indigenous people of New Zealand, the Maori, for nearly 20 years. Aside from publishing two books of poetry (2007 & 2015), Urmy also released his debut album in 2017, Out Of The Ashes, which was produced by the late, legendary, Cowboy Jack Clement. Rolling Stone Country named Urmy as one 10 artists to watch, and The Nashville Scene called it, “…the most fascinating Nashville album of the last decade…” In 2012, Matt founded the groundbreaking software company, Artist Growth, which he ran as CEO until 2018, raising millions in venture financing and forging deals with the most iconic institutions in the music industry. He now serves as Chief Strategy Officer and has clients ranging from Universal Music Group, Vector Management, Red Light Management, Maverick, C3, Qprime, and countless other labels, artists and management companies. So in this episode, we capture what Artist Growth is and where is the platform heading for artists and an industry. The platform really is shaking up the industry and making the creator really take ownership of their career. We take a ride on the failure train and because you’re failing doesn’t mean you’re a failure, but rather it’s a learning experience for success. For everything about Artist Growth visit www.artistgrowth.com and everything about Matt at www.matturmy.com. Also, follow him at @matturmy and @artistgrowth.

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Surviving the Music Industry - Clare Bowen and Caroline Spence

Clare Bowen and Caroline Spence

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07/30/19 • 98 min

The creative headspace, bro's ruining dates, and new music with Clare Bowen (ABC's and CMT's Nashville) and Caroline Spence.  Caroline and I tap into her latest release, Mint Condition. Then Clare shares thoughts on cancer, living in Australia, the LGBTQ community, her TV experience, and releasing her self titled debut album.    Having won numerous songwriting awards, it's safe to say Caroline Spence is a songwriting wizard. Caroline and I share a fellow songwriting acquaintance and then soon we're off diving into her latest release, Mint Condition. As we're taping into the specifics of words and the power a pronoun we begin to understand the landscape of the project. Having gone through some of our favorite instances in the album, we get on the topic of living inside your head as a creative. Is this the catalyst of anxiety? If we didn't work in our heads would we feel may be more "normal"? What most people might see as a personal flaw, we should embrace though. By sharing the heart of your self and inner feelings in a song, we discover is our greatest gift to the world. Visit  for everything and follow her @carolinespence_.   Some might know Clare Bowen after the success of ABC's Nashville as the character Scarlett O'Connor, but that shouldn't slow her down as an artist in her own right. The Australian actress that we might know sits down to talk about her battle with cancer at a very young age, sharing insight into the creation of her latest record, and we talk about the music from her self titled debut. Produced by Josh Kaufman (The National, Bob Weir), Clare Bowen's album also features Buddy Miller and songwriters Lori McKenna, Brandon Robert Young, Nathan Chapman, Stephanie Lambring, and Caroline Spence. An album 5 years in the making, because of production schedules, is an introduction to who Clare Bowen is personally. Clare also is an advocate of many things. She shares the origin of taking up arms with the LBGTQ community and her passion for food. Not to mention we tackle loneliness. The idea of capturing your thoughts and feelings like loneliness and sharing it with the world can be really vulnerable. But once it's out, you begin to realize that you're not lonely at all. Her album is out now on all platforms, and you can also visit  for tour dates and updates. You can follow her @clarembee on Instagram.     

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Surviving the Music Industry - Ivory Layne and The Suitcase Junket

Ivory Layne and The Suitcase Junket

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07/23/19 • 97 min

Birds, mustaches, loneliness, and vulnerability versus ambiguity in songs with Ivory Layne and Matt Lorenz of The Suitcase Junket. Matt was rounding up his promotional tour for his latest record Mean Dog, Trampoline and we talked exhaustion and avoiding awkward interactions. Then Ivory Layne sits down to share the ideas of her songwriting and her journey.    Matt Lorenz's follow-up to 2017’s Pile Driver, Mean Dog, Trampoline takes its title from a lyric in “Scattered Notes From A First Time Home Buyers Workshop,” a brightly tumbling folk romp built on ramshackle rhythms and jeweled guitar tones. I caught Matt before his Nashville set and midway through his tour. It seemed like Matt was living through one of the themes of his record of exhaustion, so we touched on it. Then what does that mean for an artist to overcome it or sit and stew on it for artist development? You can follow The Suitcase Junket @suitcasejunket and .   Layne started songwriting at age six but didn't take serious interest until turning fourteen. She taught herself music production, working from her bedroom and posting demos online. In 2011, her work caught the attention of Grammy award-winning producer, Ed Cash. The two wrote, produced, and released her first EP, Volume One, in 2013. Shortly after, Layne moved from her hometown of Denver, NC, to Nashville, TN, to further her artist career. "Cookie Cutter" is Ivory's latest release but in the conversation, we get a spoon full of her quick whit and personality. Download "Cookie Cutter" and all her past releases anywhere and visit  for everything including tour dates. Follow her @ivorylayne.

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Surviving the Music Industry - Michael Cleveland and Gabe Lee

Michael Cleveland and Gabe Lee

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07/09/19 • 83 min

Humanity and America, new music, and a movie with multi-award winning fiddle player Michael Cleveland and folk artist Gabe Lee. Gabe shares some insight into his latest release, Farmland. Then Michael shares his thoughts on music, his life, and bluegrass.    Songwriter and picker Gabe Lee is a Nashville native and first-generation American. Drawing inspirations from John Prine, Wilco, Old Crow Medicine Show, Americana, and Bluegrass it was only a matter of time this classical pianist changed his musical destiny. Farmland is a look into America in its current state and makes you evaluate your thoughts its current state. Follow Gabe @gabeleetn for everything and updates.    Michael Cleveland is one of the premier bluegrass fiddlers of his generation.  A major player in the world of bluegrass, Michael has won the IBMA fiddle player of the year 11 times. His list of guest apperances over the years is a who’s who of bluegrass legends including Bill Monroe, Jim and Jesse, Ralph Stanley, Mac Wiseman, Doc Watson, Larry Sparks, Doyle Lawson, and J.D. Crowe. Today Mike is a sought-after guest and has performed with Vince Gill, Marty Stuart, The Mark Newton Band, J.D. Crowe and the New South, Audie Blaylock and Redline, Melvin Goins and Windy Mountain and The Wildwood Valley Boys. Mike walks me through his life as we talk about his movie, Truly living an inspiring life with the challenges of alcoholism, blindness, and deafness. Michael is a powerful musical artist and an inspiring human being. Be on the lookout for his newest record set to release in August, Tall Fiddler and visit  for tour dates, the movie, and music. Also follow Mike and the band @mcflamekeeper.

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Surviving the Music Industry - Kassi Ashton and Ivory Layne

Kassi Ashton and Ivory Layne

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07/02/19 • 110 min

New music, a preview, and getting to know Ivory Layne and Kassi Ashton. Ivory Layne, one of Justin Timberlake's artist's under Villa 40 just released "Cookie Cutter" and Kassi Ashton takes us back to California...Missouri. Look out for the full episode of Ivory Layne in a couple of weeks and stream all their music where ever it's the coolest.    Layne started songwriting at age six but didn't take serious interest until turning fourteen. She taught herself music production, working from her bedroom and posting demos online. In 2011, her work caught the attention of Grammy award-winning producer, Ed Cash. The two wrote, produced, and released her first EP, Volume One, in 2013. Shortly after, Layne moved from her hometown of Denver, NC, to Nashville, TN, to further her artist career. "Cookie Cutter" is Ivory's latest release but in the conversation, we get a spoon full of her quick whit and personality. Download "Cookie Cutter" and all her past releases anywhere and visit  for everything including tour dates. Follow her @ivorylayne.   Swagger and vibe all day with Kassi Ashton. I've known and listened to her music but we get to know Kassi and her music in this conversation. Growing up "unconventionally" in a Missouri town left Ashton to her art. From fashion to music, creating is more than just a hobby or a job. Then working at Hooters to going to school in a conservative school for music, Kassi wins her showcase to eventually become the artist we know today. From Keith Urban's "Drop Top" to her own music with writers like Luke Dick, Natalie Hemby, Luke Laird, and others creating with her. It's a breath of Nashville bubble fresh air. New music is out now and she continues to release new music just about every couple of months. Her latest release, "Field Party" is out now and you can visit  for her merch, news, and everything else. Follow her @kassiashton.

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Surviving the Music Industry - Bryan Wayne

Bryan Wayne

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06/25/19 • 65 min

A life beyond just music, an ALS warrior, father, and husband Bryan Wayne shares some of his biggest cuts and biggest moments from his life. Recorded from Big Kenny's (Big & Rich) private studio, Bryan also shares the story behind his latest record While You Wait and how you can really help those that are diagnosed with ALS at .   Bryan Wayne's "What If She's An Angel", recorded by Tommy Shane Steiner was a #2 hit in 2002 and hit it big as BMI's Millon Air award hitting 1 million spins. Bryan has also had top 25 single success with Chris Cagle's "Country By The Grace of God" and Big and Rich's "Kick My Ass". The MuzikMafia was a collection of country artists and songwriters that changed and shaped the sounds of the early 2000's that we still hear today. Bryan, being a part of that transition of country music also shared cuts with Clay Walker, Emerson Drive, Rodney Carrington, Jason Blaine, and others during his 20 plus year career as a songwriter.    In 2017, Bryan was diagnosed with ALS-Lou Gehrig's disease. Knowing the disease was going to rob him of his voice, he recorded and re-recorded some of his big hits using his singing voice. While You Wait is available where music can be downloaded and streamed as well as .    ALS is a terrible disease. It robs you of what you've always known and used in your body. Currently, Bryan and his family (wife and two sons) are adjusting to this ever-evolving disease. Two of their biggest needs is a wheel-chair accessible van and bathroom renovations. I want you to give something to someone that could really use it, and remember that your time may be next when you need a little help. To give to these needs, . You can also visit  where you'll find great resources on how you can help those battling ALS.   

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Surviving the Music Industry - Natalie Hemby and Hailey Whitters

Natalie Hemby and Hailey Whitters

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06/18/19 • 107 min

Breaking down the hits, talking about home, and holding hands on the struggle bus with Natalie Hemby and Hailey Whitters. Both songwriters, but one is a member of the Highway Women and the other is living in a 10 year town with The Dream.   Behind a great song is a songwriter with crazy abilities to be able to pen those songs. Most of these tracks you've heard might have been penned by Natalie Hemby. Songs and projects include Kacey Musgraves' Golden Hour, Miranda Lambert's "White Liar", "Automatic", "Highway Vagabond", Little Big Town's "Pontoon" and "Tornado", Republican Hair's "Fuck A Bomb", songs for the motion picture A Star Is Born, and way more than what can fit here. Always being connected to the industry doesn't give you a free pass. We go through Natalie's personal, family history and connections that even though it sounds like you get a pass. Natalie has proven time and time again that she is a staple in the songwriter community. We talk about trying to do the artist thing, quitting music, and coming back strong. We break down some of her biggest hits including "Rainbow" and "Always Remember Us This Way". Then her unique, supernatural ability to write songs like the way she does is discussed. Natalie also shares some news about a new album in the works after her critically acclaimed, Puxico. To keep up with Natalie and to follow updates about the Highway Women supergroup, give her a follow @wruckestrike on Instagram and Natalie Hemby on Facebook.    Hailey Whitters is 12 years in, in a 10 year town. I felt connected with Hailey, not just as a fellow musician but someone who is on her journey of figuring things out too. Her latest project, not yet released, The Dream is an introspective look into the cycles of life. Not just an artist, as a songwriter Hailey penned Little Big Town's "Happy People", and continues to show up every day in the songwriting room. We talk about her latest releases "10 Year Town" and "The Days" and looking for validation in life beyond a like and when to start trusting yourself. Life's journey and challenges continually change for Hailey, as it does for everyone, but for the conversation, we take a look at past songs and look at the growth up to the present. Follow Hailey @haileywhitters to keep up when The Dream will be released and go to  for tour dates with Maren Morris,  Lori McKenna, and Brent Cobb.

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Surviving the Music Industry - Joe Galante and Ida Mae

Joe Galante and Ida Mae

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06/11/19 • 100 min

One is credited with developing the careers of Waylon Jennings, Dolly Parton, Kenny Chesney, The Judds, and Wu Tang Clan. The other is developing their own sound and adding art to rock. Joe Galante, former RCA Chairman and President, and British Blues/Rock artists Chris and Stephanie of Ida Mae climb into the attic to talk about their music careers.    Ida Mae wasn't Chris and Stephanie's first project together. Hustling and running with the current with Kill It Kid gave them their first taste of a record deal. Through crazy turns, they've decided to end their heavier sound of Kill It Kid for the now Ida Mae sound we know. I was able to catch Ida Mae in between Greta Van Fleet and Blackberry Smoke dates, and before their Bonnaroo show. I instantly fell in love with their lyrics and poetry to their music. There was something classic about them that made them tangible and not stuffy or pretentious as some lyrics can be. We talk about life in the UK, recording and writing for their newest record Chasing Lights, and dive into a couple of stand out songs from the record. Chasing Lights is out now and you can stream it or go to  for everything. Follow them @idamaemusic.   Joe Galante is a music industry executive. He is noted for his role in developing the careers of Waylon Jennings, Dolly Parton, Kenny Chesney, Brad Paisley, Martina McBride, Vince Gill, Clint Black, Miranda Lambert, and The Judds, Dave Matthews Band, Wu Tang Clan, and among others. Galante began working at RCA Records in New York in 1971. He was transferred to RCA Nashville in 1974; although originally intended to be a temporary stay, Galante remained in Nashville as a director at the label. During the early years of his career, he was criticized because he lacked a traditional background in the music industry. Galante continued to be promoted at the label, becoming vice president of promotion and marketing. In 1982 he was named head of RCA's Nashville division; then 32, he became the youngest person ever named to run a major country record label. In 1990, Galante returned to New York to become national president of RCA Records. He returned to Nashville in 1995 to run the RCA and BNA labels in Nashville as chairman RLG/Nashville. He was named the chairman of Sony Music Nashville in 2007 and served in that position until 2013. With Galante as president, RCA Records was the number one country label for 11 years in a row. We talk about the highs and lows of his career, what made certain acts work, and who really got the ax. 

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Surviving the Music Industry - Jeff Hanna of The Nitty Gritty Dirt Band and Austin Plaine
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06/04/19 • 108 min

Music documentaries, new music, and reflecting on a 54-year career with Jeff Hanna and Austin Plaine. Austin and I talk the inevitable dad talk and how music doc's are ruining our lives. We eventually get to his latest release and style. Jeff Hanna, front member of The Nitty Gritty Dirt Band, and I reflect on a 54-year career across multiple genres of music.    Insightful and picking up on life's subtle moments, artist and songwriter Austin Plaine shares some insight into his process. Originally from Minnesota, Austin turned away from a legal career to write and record music in Nashville, TN. Releasing his latest record on June 28th, Stratford, Austin popped into the attic to talk about his songs and style. It's Gucci-good. Follow him @austinplaine for updates and visit  for tour dates.    The Nitty Gritty Dirt Band was founded around 1966 in Long Beach, California, by singer-guitarist Jeff Hanna. As part of the Southern California scene, past members include Jackson Browne, Jimmie Fadden, Jimmy Ibbotson, Bernie Leadon, and others that have influenced and shaped the sound of American Rock music. The band's successes include a cover version of Jerry Jeff Walker's "Mr. Bojangles". Albums include 1972's Will the Circle be Unbroken, featuring such traditional country artists as Mother Maybelle Carter, Earl Scruggs, Roy Acuff, Doc Watson, Merle Travis, and Jimmy Martin. A follow-up album based on the same concept, Will the Circle Be Unbroken: Volume Two was released in 1989, was certified gold, won two Grammys, and was named Album of the Year at the Country Music Association Awards. In our conversation, we take the time to understand the 60's and the "Jug Band" era of the band's history. We interweave hidden gems like Steve Martin's backing band for "King Tut", recording Will the Circle Be Unbroken, touring the USSR, the highs and lows of a career in music, and even being banned from radio for blasphemy. The band tours to this day and you can see all their tour dates by visiting , and follow them at @nittygrittydirtband.

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Surviving the Music Industry - Alex Hall & Tim Hunze

Alex Hall & Tim Hunze

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10/30/18 • 81 min

Building a career, managing your career, and all things songs with artist Alex Hall and veteran music publisher Tim Hunze. Alex calls Gainesville, Georgia home but writes songs for himself and other writers in Nashville, TN. He grew up riding horses and playing sports, but music has always been an important part of his life. With encouragement from his middle school choral director, he began focusing specifically on singing. It was the summer before high school when he started playing guitar, singing at the local restaurants and bars and writing songs. We start the conversation when Alex started breaking in music and moving to Nashville. We dive into his newest song "Homesick" and what makes his writing style different than others. Visit  for tour dates and to check out all of Alex's music, and follow him @musicbyalexhall Then respected Nashville music publisher, Tim Hunze, comes in to talk things publishing and some insight into songs that he's learned through his career. Tim started his career by starting his own record label, right after graduating from college. After the label scored a hit video on BET and a charting single, Tim sold his interest and moved into the publishing world. In his first job as archive manager at Hamstein, he got his first cut and when it went to #14 on the Billboard Country chart he was promoted to Creative Director. He stayed with the company as it sold to Mosaic and then to Stage Three where he became General Manager. Under his management, Stage Three had over 15 #1 hits and helped Bobby Pinson become BMI 2009 Writer of the Year and Brett James become 2010 ASCAP Writer of the Year. In 2011, along with JP Williams, Tim started Parallel Music Publishing and in their first 4 years, they scored 5 #1 hits. The hits continue to pile for Tim and company. Tim shares some memorable moments working with writers like Bobby Pinson, Michael White, Brett James, Tom Shapiro, Tony Martin, Lee Miller, and Jon Mabe. He also shares the rollercoaster ride of supporting writers and the ups and downs of what it means to be a publisher. Tim is also the host of the AIMP Nashville Pubcast; a podcast that informs and educates current and future publishers and offers insight for songwriters. Listen to the podcast, check out Parallel Entertainment, and give Time a follow @timhunze. 

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