
Ziwe May Destroy Hamilton
07/23/20 • 37 min
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“Hamilton” is back in the mix, but the flavor has changed from beloved historical blockbuster to “wait, that’s what this is?” Elsewhere, in new works like “Baited,” on Instagram Live, and “I May Destroy You,” on HBO, Black women are getting personal in ways that are expanding our palates for discomfort.
Discussed this week:
- “Hamilton” (written by Lin-Manuel Miranda, Disney+, 2020)
- “Baited” on Instagram Live
- Ziwe Fumudoh
- “I May Destroy You” (written by Michaela Coel, HBO, 2020)
- Native Land project
- “White Fragility” lecture (by Robin DiAngelo, 2019)
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“Hamilton” is back in the mix, but the flavor has changed from beloved historical blockbuster to “wait, that’s what this is?” Elsewhere, in new works like “Baited,” on Instagram Live, and “I May Destroy You,” on HBO, Black women are getting personal in ways that are expanding our palates for discomfort.
Discussed this week:
- “Hamilton” (written by Lin-Manuel Miranda, Disney+, 2020)
- “Baited” on Instagram Live
- Ziwe Fumudoh
- “I May Destroy You” (written by Michaela Coel, HBO, 2020)
- Native Land project
- “White Fragility” lecture (by Robin DiAngelo, 2019)
Soon, you’ll need a subscription to keep full access to this show, and to other New York Times podcasts, on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. Don’t miss out on exploring all of our shows, featuring everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts.
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