The JFK Assassination – a Debate with Jefferson Morley and Mark Zaid (Part 2)
08/20/24 • 62 min
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Summary
Jefferson Morley and Mark Zaid join Andrew in a debate over the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. Mark and Jeff are longtime friends and colleagues with very different viewpoints of what truly happened on November 22nd, 1963.
What You’ll LearnIntelligence
- The lasting questions surrounding the Kennedy assassination
- Lee Harvey Oswald’s intelligence connections
- The Warren Commission and the JFK Assassination Records
- The strangest theories Mark and Jeff have heard, and the most plausible explanations of who killed President Kennedy
Reflections
- Public distrust and the search for truth
- Reactions and responses to tragedy
And much, much more ...Quotes of the Week
”That's why I think they probably have something to hide. Because it doesn't make sense otherwise ... If they had access to that kind of straightforward story, we would get that.” – Jefferson Morley.
Resources SURFACE SKIM*SpyCasts*
- The Skinny on American Intelligence & the Law with D.C. “Super Lawyer” Mark Zaid (2024)
- Rise of Devils: The Origins of Modern Terrorism with James Crossland (2024)
- Havana Syndrome – A Panel featuring Nicky Woolf, Marc Polymeropoulos, and Mark Zaid (2023)
- The Past 75 Years with Historian of the CIA Rhodri Jeffreys-Jones (2022)
*Beginner Resources*
- Lee Harvey Oswald, Britannica (2024) [Short biography]
- JFK Files: What we're learning from newly released Kennedy assassination records, CBS News, YouTube (2022) [6 min. video]
- Kennedy Assassination Timeline, The Sixth Floor Museum (n.d.) [Timeline of events]
DEEPER DIVEBooks
- The Devil's Chessboard: Allen Dulles, the CIA, and the Rise of America's Secret Government, D. Talbot (Harper Perennial, 2016)
- JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters, J. W. Douglass (Touchstone, 2010)
- Our Man in Mexico: Winston Scott and the Hidden History of the CIA, J. Morley (University Press of Kansas, 2008)
Primary Sources
- President John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act (1992)
- Select Committee on Assassinations Report (1978)
- Warren Commission Report (1964)
- LBJ Address to Congress (1963)
- Interrogation of Lee Harvey Oswald (1963)
- JFK Autopsy Report (1963)
- The President John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection
*Wildcard Resource*
- Test how you would do in Kennedy’s shoes by playing 13 Days: The Cuban Missile Crisis, 1962 – A two-player board game that tests your quick-thinking strategy and conflict resolution skills.
Summary
Jefferson Morley and Mark Zaid join Andrew in a debate over the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. Mark and Jeff are longtime friends and colleagues with very different viewpoints of what truly happened on November 22nd, 1963.
What You’ll LearnIntelligence
- The lasting questions surrounding the Kennedy assassination
- Lee Harvey Oswald’s intelligence connections
- The Warren Commission and the JFK Assassination Records
- The strangest theories Mark and Jeff have heard, and the most plausible explanations of who killed President Kennedy
Reflections
- Public distrust and the search for truth
- Reactions and responses to tragedy
And much, much more ...Quotes of the Week
”That's why I think they probably have something to hide. Because it doesn't make sense otherwise ... If they had access to that kind of straightforward story, we would get that.” – Jefferson Morley.
Resources SURFACE SKIM*SpyCasts*
- The Skinny on American Intelligence & the Law with D.C. “Super Lawyer” Mark Zaid (2024)
- Rise of Devils: The Origins of Modern Terrorism with James Crossland (2024)
- Havana Syndrome – A Panel featuring Nicky Woolf, Marc Polymeropoulos, and Mark Zaid (2023)
- The Past 75 Years with Historian of the CIA Rhodri Jeffreys-Jones (2022)
*Beginner Resources*
- Lee Harvey Oswald, Britannica (2024) [Short biography]
- JFK Files: What we're learning from newly released Kennedy assassination records, CBS News, YouTube (2022) [6 min. video]
- Kennedy Assassination Timeline, The Sixth Floor Museum (n.d.) [Timeline of events]
DEEPER DIVEBooks
- The Devil's Chessboard: Allen Dulles, the CIA, and the Rise of America's Secret Government, D. Talbot (Harper Perennial, 2016)
- JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters, J. W. Douglass (Touchstone, 2010)
- Our Man in Mexico: Winston Scott and the Hidden History of the CIA, J. Morley (University Press of Kansas, 2008)
Primary Sources
- President John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act (1992)
- Select Committee on Assassinations Report (1978)
- Warren Commission Report (1964)
- LBJ Address to Congress (1963)
- Interrogation of Lee Harvey Oswald (1963)
- JFK Autopsy Report (1963)
- The President John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection
*Wildcard Resource*
- Test how you would do in Kennedy’s shoes by playing 13 Days: The Cuban Missile Crisis, 1962 – A two-player board game that tests your quick-thinking strategy and conflict resolution skills.
Previous Episode
The JFK Assassination – a Debate with Jefferson Morley and Mark Zaid (Part 1)
Summary
Jefferson Morley and Mark Zaid join Andrew in a debate over the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. Mark and Jeff are longtime friends and colleagues with very different viewpoints of what truly happened on November 22nd, 1963.
What You’ll LearnIntelligence
- The lasting questions surrounding the Kennedy assassination
- Lee Harvey Oswald’s intelligence connections
- The Warren Commission and the JFK Assassination Records
- The strangest theories Mark and Jeff have heard, and the most plausible explanations of who killed President Kennedy
Reflections
- Public distrust and the search for truth
- Reactions and responses to tragedy
And much, much more ...Quotes of the Week
”That's why I think they probably have something to hide. Because it doesn't make sense otherwise ... If they had access to that kind of straightforward story, we would get that.” – Jefferson Morley.
Resources SURFACE SKIM*SpyCasts*
- The Skinny on American Intelligence & the Law with D.C. “Super Lawyer” Mark Zaid (2024)
- Rise of Devils: The Origins of Modern Terrorism with James Crossland (2024)
- Havana Syndrome – A Panel featuring Nicky Woolf, Marc Polymeropoulos, and Mark Zaid (2023)
- The Past 75 Years with Historian of the CIA Rhodri Jeffreys-Jones (2022)
*Beginner Resources*
- Lee Harvey Oswald, Britannica (2024) [Short biography]
- JFK Files: What we're learning from newly released Kennedy assassination records, CBS News, YouTube (2022) [6 min. video]
- Kennedy Assassination Timeline, The Sixth Floor Museum (n.d.) [Timeline of events]
DEEPER DIVEBooks
- The Devil's Chessboard: Allen Dulles, the CIA, and the Rise of America's Secret Government, D. Talbot (Harper Perennial, 2016)
- JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters, J. W. Douglass (Touchstone, 2010)
- Our Man in Mexico: Winston Scott and the Hidden History of the CIA, J. Morley (University Press of Kansas, 2008)
Primary Sources
- President John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act (1992)
- Select Committee on Assassinations Report (1978)
- Warren Commission Report (1964)
- LBJ Address to Congress (1963)
- Interrogation of Lee Harvey Oswald (1963)
- JFK Autopsy Report (1963)
- The President John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection
*Wildcard Resource*
- Test how you would do in Kennedy’s shoes by playing 13 Days: The Cuban Missile Crisis, 1962 – A two-player board game that tests your quick-thinking strategy and conflict resolution skills.
Next Episode
Lethal Action - Understanding Poison with Neil Bradbury
Summary
Neil Bradbury (Website, LinkedIn) joins Andrew (X; LinkedIn) to discuss the deadly history of poison and espionage. Neil is an author and biochemist.
What You’ll LearnIntelligence
- How different poisons affect the human body
- The usage of poisons as a covert assassination method
- The deaths of defectors Alexander Litvinenko and Georgi Markov
- The Soviet Union’s Lab X and the production and research of poisons on the state level
Reflections
- The double edge of creativity
- The necessity for research and experimentation
And much, much more ...Quotes of the Week
“In order to counteract lots of the poisons, you have to know how they work, and you have to be able to develop your own. So, yes, undoubtedly, Western governments are just as actively involved in creating these chemicals and also the antidotes to them.” – Dr. Neil Bradbury.
Resources SURFACE SKIM*Spotlight Resource*
- A Taste for Poison: Eleven Deadly Molecules and the Killers Who Used Them, Neil Bradbury (St. Martin’s Press, 2022)
*SpyCasts*
- The Murder of an IRA Spy with Henry Hemming (2024)
- I Helped Solve the Final Zodiac Killer Cipher with David Oranchak (2024)
- The North Korean Defector with Former DPRK Agent Kim, Hyun Woo (2023)
- Spies: The Epic Intelligence War Between East vs. West with Calder Walton (2023)
DEEPER DIVEBooks
- Poison: The History of Potions, Powders and Murderous Practitioners, B. Hubbard (Welbeck Publishing, 2020)
- Poison: A History: An Account of the Deadly Art and its Most Infamous Practitioners, J. Davis (Chartwell Books, 2018)
- The KGB's Poison Factory: From Lenin to Litvinenko, B. Volodarsky (Zenith Press, 2010)
Primary Sources
- Press Release on the Poisoning of Alexei Navalny (2020)
- Update on the Use of Nerve Agent in Salisbury, UK (2018)
- The Litvinenko Inquiry (2016)
- Situation Report on Piesteritz (1953)
- Analysis of Madame Lefarge’s Arsenic Trial (1840)
*Wildcard Resource*
- This week’s companion song can only be Waterloo Sunset (1967) by The Kinks.
- Heralded as one of the most beautiful songs of the swingin’ sixties, “Waterloo Sunset” is appropriately incorporated into the title of Neil’s chapter on the assassination of Georgi Markov, which took place on London’s Waterloo Bridge.
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