
“Irish Garda Intelligence Chief” – with Assistant Commissioner Michael McElgunn
09/12/23 • 61 min
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Summary
Michael McElgunn (LinkedIn) joins Andrew (Twitter; LinkedIn) to discuss intelligence in the Republic of Ireland. Michael is the Assistant Commissioner of An Garda Síochána’s Crime and Security Intelligence Service.
What You’ll LearnIntelligence
- The history of An Garda Síochána
- The intelligence components of the Garda
- The present state of Northern Ireland relations
- Current threats to Irish national security
Reflections
- The value of collaboration
- Evolving alongside a changing world
And much, much more ...Quote of the Week
“I think people should in general take comfort from the work that is done by intelligence services and the exceptional collaboration that there is with these services to keep people safe. And that is not just at home, that's abroad – Where we come into possession of a piece of intelligence that we feel will be a value elsewhere, we'll share that elsewhere.” – Michael McElgunn.
Resources SURFACE SKIM*SpyCasts*
- Kenya, East Africa, and America with African Intelligence Chief Wilson Boinett (2023)
- St. Ermin’s Hotel, London – The History of a Legendary Spy Site with Stephen Duffy (2023)
- Espionage and the Two Queens with Kent Tiernan (2023)
- The IRA, The Troubles & Intelligence with Eleanor Williams and Thomas Leahy (2022)
*Beginner Resources*
- A Brief History of Ireland, T. Lambert, Local Histories, n.d. [Short article]
- Our History, An Garda Síochána, n.d. [Web page]
- The Troubles, J. Wallenfeldt, Encyclopedia Britannica [Encyclopedia entry]
DEEPER DIVEBooks
- We Don't Know Ourselves: A Personal History of Modern Ireland, F. O’Toole (Liveright, 2023)
- Say Nothing: A True Story of Murder and Memory in Northern Ireland, P. R. Keefe (Anchor, 2020)
- Policing Twentieth Century Ireland: A History of An Garda Síochána, V. Conway (Routledge, 2013)
- The Guarding of Ireland – The Garda Síochána and the Irish State 1960–2014: A History of the Irish Police Force, C. Brady (Gill Books, 2014)
Primary Sources
- Gárda Síochána (Temporary Provisions) Act (1923)
- Royal Irish Constabulary Office Preliminary Arrangements for Disbandment, Garda Archives (1922)
- Orders for the Guidance of the Troops, Garda Archives (1919)
- National Union of Police and Prison Officers, National Museum of Ireland (1919)
- The Police and the Nation, Garda Archives (1916)
- 1916 Proclamation, National Museum of Ireland (1916)
Summary
Michael McElgunn (LinkedIn) joins Andrew (Twitter; LinkedIn) to discuss intelligence in the Republic of Ireland. Michael is the Assistant Commissioner of An Garda Síochána’s Crime and Security Intelligence Service.
What You’ll LearnIntelligence
- The history of An Garda Síochána
- The intelligence components of the Garda
- The present state of Northern Ireland relations
- Current threats to Irish national security
Reflections
- The value of collaboration
- Evolving alongside a changing world
And much, much more ...Quote of the Week
“I think people should in general take comfort from the work that is done by intelligence services and the exceptional collaboration that there is with these services to keep people safe. And that is not just at home, that's abroad – Where we come into possession of a piece of intelligence that we feel will be a value elsewhere, we'll share that elsewhere.” – Michael McElgunn.
Resources SURFACE SKIM*SpyCasts*
- Kenya, East Africa, and America with African Intelligence Chief Wilson Boinett (2023)
- St. Ermin’s Hotel, London – The History of a Legendary Spy Site with Stephen Duffy (2023)
- Espionage and the Two Queens with Kent Tiernan (2023)
- The IRA, The Troubles & Intelligence with Eleanor Williams and Thomas Leahy (2022)
*Beginner Resources*
- A Brief History of Ireland, T. Lambert, Local Histories, n.d. [Short article]
- Our History, An Garda Síochána, n.d. [Web page]
- The Troubles, J. Wallenfeldt, Encyclopedia Britannica [Encyclopedia entry]
DEEPER DIVEBooks
- We Don't Know Ourselves: A Personal History of Modern Ireland, F. O’Toole (Liveright, 2023)
- Say Nothing: A True Story of Murder and Memory in Northern Ireland, P. R. Keefe (Anchor, 2020)
- Policing Twentieth Century Ireland: A History of An Garda Síochána, V. Conway (Routledge, 2013)
- The Guarding of Ireland – The Garda Síochána and the Irish State 1960–2014: A History of the Irish Police Force, C. Brady (Gill Books, 2014)
Primary Sources
- Gárda Síochána (Temporary Provisions) Act (1923)
- Royal Irish Constabulary Office Preliminary Arrangements for Disbandment, Garda Archives (1922)
- Orders for the Guidance of the Troops, Garda Archives (1919)
- National Union of Police and Prison Officers, National Museum of Ireland (1919)
- The Police and the Nation, Garda Archives (1916)
- 1916 Proclamation, National Museum of Ireland (1916)
Previous Episode

“Kenya, East Africa, and America” – with African Intelligence Chief Wilson Boinett
Summary
Brigadier General (Ret.) Wilson Boinett joins Andrew (Twitter; LinkedIn) to discuss Kenyan intelligence. Wilson is the former Director of Kenya’s National Intelligence Service.
What You’ll Learn
Intelligence
- The effect of colonialism on intelligence
- The organization of Kenya’s National Intelligence Service
- Wilson’s role in adapting and reforming Kenyan intelligence
- The Nairobi bombings and effects on East Africa
Reflections
- Institutional insurgency
- The courage to push for and enact change
*EXTENDED SHOW NOTES & FULL TRANSCRIPT HERE*
Episode Notes
This week on SpyCast, we are thrilled to be joined by our first ever African intelligence chief. Brigadier General (Ret.) Wilson Boinett is the individual credited with transforming Kenya’s National Intelligence Service into the world-class agency it is today. Following a decades long career in the Kenyan Army, Wilson became the first Director of the newly created intelligence agency in 1999. He believed in the possibly of change and the potential for collaboration amongst East African countries and set out to do just that. Tune in to this week’s episode to learn more about his extraordinary career and lessons in leadership.
This episode is the second in our Spy Chiefs Special series that will run throughout September. Stay tuned in the weeks to come to hear perspectives from Ireland, India, and the first woman to direct an American intelligence organization.
*EXTENDED SHOW NOTES & FULL TRANSCRIPT HERE*
Quotes of the Week
I was coming in at the time when all those things were happening and the Cold War was over, and the western intelligence did not care very much what Kenya was going to do. So, I had an opportunity to look at this monster called change .... I went to the president, and I said, “I think it is time to change.” And he said, “Go change it.”
Resources
SURFACE SKIM
*SpyCasts*
- David Petraeus on Ukraine & Intelligence with the former CIA Director & 4* General (2023)
- Spies: The Epic Intelligence War Between East vs. West with Calder Walton (2023)
- Irregular Warfare & Intelligence with IWC Director Dennis Walters (2023)
- The 75th Anniversary of the CIA with former Director Robert Gates (2022)
*Beginner Resources*
- A Brief History of Kenya, A. Boddy-Evans, ThoughtCo (2020) [Short Article]
- The Late British Empire, History Matters, YouTube (2017) [Ten-minute video]
- What Was the Mau Mau Uprising? Imperial War Museum (n.d.) [Short article]
*EXTENDED SHOW NOTES & FULL TRANSCRIPT HERE*
DEEPER DIVE
Books
- History of Resistance in Kenya, M. wa Kĩnyattĩ (Mau Mau Research Center, 2019)
- Kenya After 50: Reconfiguring Historical, Political, and Policy Milestones, M. M. Kithinji et al. (Palgrave Macmillan, 2016)
- Population, Tradition, and Environmental Control in Colonial Kenya, M. S. Shanguhyia (University of Rochester Press, 2015)
- Kenya: A History Since Independence, C. Hornsby (I.B. Tauris, 2013)
Primary Sources
- Report of the Accountability Review Boards: Bombings of the US Embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam, US Department of Justice (1999)
- 5 Fugitives Indicted in Embassy Bombings, J. Mintz, The Washington Post (1998)
- The National S...
Next Episode

“Former Senior Indian Intelligence Officer” – R&AW Special Secretary Vappala Balachandran
Summary
Vappala Balachandran (Wikipedia) joins Andrew (Twitter; LinkedIn) to discuss his career and the ancient roots of espionage in India. Bala formerly served as Special Secretary for India’s Cabinet Secretariat.
What You’ll LearnIntelligence
- India’s Research and Analysis Wing
- The Tamil Tigers’ threat to Indian national security
- Intelligence considerations within India-Pakistan relations
- Lessons in intelligence from Ancient India
Reflections
- Intelligence, the 2nd oldest profession
- Transitioning from leader to student
And much, much more ...Quotes of the Week
“There was a lot of pressure. There was a lot of pressure, especially, for example: Certain incidents happening – What would be the repercussions in India? Now, anything that happens in Pakistan, it will have some repercussions in India. And, same thing in Afghanistan, and then all the neighboring countries, we are to watch them.” – Vappala Balachandran.
Resources SURFACE SKIM*SpyCasts*
- Irish Garda Intelligence Chief with Assistant Commissioner Michael McElgunn (2023)
- Venice’s Secret Service with Ioanna Iordanou (2023)
- Indian Intelligence & Cyber, A Conversation with Sameer Patil, ORF Mumbai (2023)
- Intelligence & the World’s Largest Democracy with Former Indian Intelligence Director Vikram Sood (2021)
*Beginner Resources*
- The Entire History of India in Under 10 Minutes, Made in History, YouTube (2022) [10 min. Video]
- RAW: A History of India’s Covert Operations, Y. Yadav, New Indian Express (2020) [Short article]
- Timeline: India-Pakistan Relations, A. Hashim, Al Jazeera (2019) [Historical timeline]
DEEPER DIVEPrimary Sources
- Agreement on a ceasefire between Sri Lanka and the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (2022)
- Pradhan Inquiry Commission Report, 26/11 Mumbai Terror Attacks (2009)
- Lessons from the Mumbai Terrorist Attacks, US Senate Hearing (2009)
- Kautilya’s Arthashastra (1915 translation)
- Thiruvalluvar’s Tirukkuṟaḷ (1886 translation)
- The Police Act (1861)
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