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SpyCast - “Irish Garda Intelligence Chief” – with Assistant Commissioner Michael McElgunn

“Irish Garda Intelligence Chief” – with Assistant Commissioner Michael McElgunn

09/12/23 • 61 min

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Summary

Michael McElgunn (LinkedIn) joins Andrew (Twitter; LinkedIn) to discuss intelligence in the Republic of Ireland. Michael is the Assistant Commissioner of An Garda Síochána’s Crime and Security Intelligence Service.

What You’ll LearnIntelligence

  • The history of An Garda Síochána
  • The intelligence components of the Garda
  • The present state of Northern Ireland relations
  • Current threats to Irish national security

Reflections

  • The value of collaboration
  • Evolving alongside a changing world

And much, much more ...Quote of the Week

“I think people should in general take comfort from the work that is done by intelligence services and the exceptional collaboration that there is with these services to keep people safe. And that is not just at home, that's abroad – Where we come into possession of a piece of intelligence that we feel will be a value elsewhere, we'll share that elsewhere.” – Michael McElgunn.

Resources SURFACE SKIM*SpyCasts*

*Beginner Resources*

DEEPER DIVEBooks

  • We Don't Know Ourselves: A Personal History of Modern Ireland, F. O’Toole (Liveright, 2023)
  • Say Nothing: A True Story of Murder and Memory in Northern Ireland, P. R. Keefe (Anchor, 2020)
  • Policing Twentieth Century Ireland: A History of An Garda Síochána, V. Conway (Routledge, 2013)
  • The Guarding of Ireland – The Garda Síochána and the Irish State 1960–2014: A History of the Irish Police Force, C. Brady (Gill Books, 2014)

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Summary

Michael McElgunn (LinkedIn) joins Andrew (Twitter; LinkedIn) to discuss intelligence in the Republic of Ireland. Michael is the Assistant Commissioner of An Garda Síochána’s Crime and Security Intelligence Service.

What You’ll LearnIntelligence

  • The history of An Garda Síochána
  • The intelligence components of the Garda
  • The present state of Northern Ireland relations
  • Current threats to Irish national security

Reflections

  • The value of collaboration
  • Evolving alongside a changing world

And much, much more ...Quote of the Week

“I think people should in general take comfort from the work that is done by intelligence services and the exceptional collaboration that there is with these services to keep people safe. And that is not just at home, that's abroad – Where we come into possession of a piece of intelligence that we feel will be a value elsewhere, we'll share that elsewhere.” – Michael McElgunn.

Resources SURFACE SKIM*SpyCasts*

*Beginner Resources*

DEEPER DIVEBooks

  • We Don't Know Ourselves: A Personal History of Modern Ireland, F. O’Toole (Liveright, 2023)
  • Say Nothing: A True Story of Murder and Memory in Northern Ireland, P. R. Keefe (Anchor, 2020)
  • Policing Twentieth Century Ireland: A History of An Garda Síochána, V. Conway (Routledge, 2013)
  • The Guarding of Ireland – The Garda Síochána and the Irish State 1960–2014: A History of the Irish Police Force, C. Brady (Gill Books, 2014)

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undefined - “Kenya, East Africa, and America” – with African Intelligence Chief Wilson Boinett

“Kenya, East Africa, and America” – with African Intelligence Chief Wilson Boinett

Summary

Brigadier General (Ret.) Wilson Boinett joins Andrew (Twitter; LinkedIn) to discuss Kenyan intelligence. Wilson is the former Director of Kenya’s National Intelligence Service.

What You’ll Learn

Intelligence

  • The effect of colonialism on intelligence
  • The organization of Kenya’s National Intelligence Service
  • Wilson’s role in adapting and reforming Kenyan intelligence
  • The Nairobi bombings and effects on East Africa

Reflections

  • Institutional insurgency
  • The courage to push for and enact change

*EXTENDED SHOW NOTES & FULL TRANSCRIPT HERE*

Episode Notes

This week on SpyCast, we are thrilled to be joined by our first ever African intelligence chief. Brigadier General (Ret.) Wilson Boinett is the individual credited with transforming Kenya’s National Intelligence Service into the world-class agency it is today. Following a decades long career in the Kenyan Army, Wilson became the first Director of the newly created intelligence agency in 1999. He believed in the possibly of change and the potential for collaboration amongst East African countries and set out to do just that. Tune in to this week’s episode to learn more about his extraordinary career and lessons in leadership.

This episode is the second in our Spy Chiefs Special series that will run throughout September. Stay tuned in the weeks to come to hear perspectives from Ireland, India, and the first woman to direct an American intelligence organization.

*EXTENDED SHOW NOTES & FULL TRANSCRIPT HERE*

Quotes of the Week

I was coming in at the time when all those things were happening and the Cold War was over, and the western intelligence did not care very much what Kenya was going to do. So, I had an opportunity to look at this monster called change .... I went to the president, and I said, “I think it is time to change.” And he said, “Go change it.”

Resources

SURFACE SKIM

*SpyCasts*

*Beginner Resources*

*EXTENDED SHOW NOTES & FULL TRANSCRIPT HERE*

DEEPER DIVE

Books

  • History of Resistance in Kenya, M. wa Kĩnyattĩ (Mau Mau Research Center, 2019)
  • Kenya After 50: Reconfiguring Historical, Political, and Policy Milestones, M. M. Kithinji et al. (Palgrave Macmillan, 2016)
  • Population, Tradition, and Environmental Control in Colonial Kenya, M. S. Shanguhyia (University of Rochester Press, 2015)
  • Kenya: A History Since Independence, C. Hornsby (I.B. Tauris, 2013)

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undefined - “Former Senior Indian Intelligence Officer” – R&AW Special Secretary Vappala Balachandran

“Former Senior Indian Intelligence Officer” – R&AW Special Secretary Vappala Balachandran

Summary

Vappala Balachandran (Wikipedia) joins Andrew (Twitter; LinkedIn) to discuss his career and the ancient roots of espionage in India. Bala formerly served as Special Secretary for India’s Cabinet Secretariat.

What You’ll LearnIntelligence

  • India’s Research and Analysis Wing
  • The Tamil Tigers’ threat to Indian national security
  • Intelligence considerations within India-Pakistan relations
  • Lessons in intelligence from Ancient India

Reflections

  • Intelligence, the 2nd oldest profession
  • Transitioning from leader to student

And much, much more ...Quotes of the Week

“There was a lot of pressure. There was a lot of pressure, especially, for example: Certain incidents happening – What would be the repercussions in India? Now, anything that happens in Pakistan, it will have some repercussions in India. And, same thing in Afghanistan, and then all the neighboring countries, we are to watch them.” – Vappala Balachandran.

Resources SURFACE SKIM*SpyCasts*

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