
18. Nancy Spain and Barbara Gittings
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06/29/21 • 82 min
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Our second annual pride special features the stories of the British multimedia celebrity and lesbian icon Nancy Spain and Barbara Gittings, "a mother of lesbian and gay liberation."
Act One:
Nancy Spain Sources
- “About Nancy Spain: British Journalist (1917 - 1964).” Peoplepill.com, People Pill, peoplepill.com/people/nancy-spain.
- Collis, Rose. “A Trouser-Wearing Character: The Life and Times of Nancy Spain (Cassell 1997).” Rose Collis, Rose Collis , www.rosecollis.com/books/a-trouser-wearing-character-the-life-and-times-of-nancy-spain-cassell-1997/.
- Fowler, Christopher. “Invisible Ink: No 220 - Nancy Spain.” The Independent, Independent Digital News and Media, 18 Apr. 2014, www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/news/invisible-ink-no-220-nancy-spain-9269801.html.
- Lynch, Declan. “Nancy Spain, the Popular Song and an English Lesbian.” Irish Independent, Independent.ie, 4 Oct. 2014, www.independent.ie/life/nancy-spain-the-popular-song-and-an-english-lesbian-30638813.html.
- “Nancy Spain .” Curtis Brown, www.curtisbrown.co.uk/client/nancy-spain.
- “Nancy Spain.” Nancy Spain - LGBT Archive, LGBT Archive, lgbthistoryuk.org/wiki/Nancy_Spain.
- Ring, Trudy. “Who the F Is ... Celebrity Journalist Nancy Spain?” Gay Pride - LGBT & Queer Voices, PRIDE.com, 31 Oct. 2014, www.pride.com/who-f/2014/10/31/who-f-%E2%80%A6-celebrity-journalist-nancy-spain.
Barbara Gittings Sources
- Barbara Gittings. Legacy Project Chicago. https://legacyprojectchicago.org/person/barbara-gittings.
- Barbara Gittings. Barbara Gittings | LGBT 50th Anniversary July 4, 2015. (n.d.). https://lgbt50.org/barbara-gittings.
- Fox, M. (2007, March 15). Barbara Gittings, 74, Prominent Gay Rights Activist Since '50s, Dies. The New York Times. https://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/15/obituaries/15gittings.html.
Special Lady Shout Outs
- Jessica: A Black Lady Sketch Show
- Caitlin: Day X and Katrin Bennhold
Our second annual pride special features the stories of the British multimedia celebrity and lesbian icon Nancy Spain and Barbara Gittings, "a mother of lesbian and gay liberation."
Act One:
Nancy Spain Sources
- “About Nancy Spain: British Journalist (1917 - 1964).” Peoplepill.com, People Pill, peoplepill.com/people/nancy-spain.
- Collis, Rose. “A Trouser-Wearing Character: The Life and Times of Nancy Spain (Cassell 1997).” Rose Collis, Rose Collis , www.rosecollis.com/books/a-trouser-wearing-character-the-life-and-times-of-nancy-spain-cassell-1997/.
- Fowler, Christopher. “Invisible Ink: No 220 - Nancy Spain.” The Independent, Independent Digital News and Media, 18 Apr. 2014, www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/news/invisible-ink-no-220-nancy-spain-9269801.html.
- Lynch, Declan. “Nancy Spain, the Popular Song and an English Lesbian.” Irish Independent, Independent.ie, 4 Oct. 2014, www.independent.ie/life/nancy-spain-the-popular-song-and-an-english-lesbian-30638813.html.
- “Nancy Spain .” Curtis Brown, www.curtisbrown.co.uk/client/nancy-spain.
- “Nancy Spain.” Nancy Spain - LGBT Archive, LGBT Archive, lgbthistoryuk.org/wiki/Nancy_Spain.
- Ring, Trudy. “Who the F Is ... Celebrity Journalist Nancy Spain?” Gay Pride - LGBT & Queer Voices, PRIDE.com, 31 Oct. 2014, www.pride.com/who-f/2014/10/31/who-f-%E2%80%A6-celebrity-journalist-nancy-spain.
Barbara Gittings Sources
- Barbara Gittings. Legacy Project Chicago. https://legacyprojectchicago.org/person/barbara-gittings.
- Barbara Gittings. Barbara Gittings | LGBT 50th Anniversary July 4, 2015. (n.d.). https://lgbt50.org/barbara-gittings.
- Fox, M. (2007, March 15). Barbara Gittings, 74, Prominent Gay Rights Activist Since '50s, Dies. The New York Times. https://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/15/obituaries/15gittings.html.
Special Lady Shout Outs
- Jessica: A Black Lady Sketch Show
- Caitlin: Day X and Katrin Bennhold
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Bonus Episode: Caitlin Morris on Pop Pop Quiz Quiz!
It's a Special Lady Day Bonus Episode! Caitlin joins producer Chad as a special guest on everyone's favorite podcast quiz show, Pop Pop Quiz Quiz.
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19. Hypatia and Victoria Kawēkiu Kaʻiulani Lunalilo Kalaninuiahilapalapa Cleghorn
This episode covers Hypatia: mathematician, astronomer, and philosopher, and Victoria Kawēkiu Kaʻiulani Lunalilo Kalaninuiahilapalapa Cleghorn, Hawaii's Crown Princess.
Act One:
Hypatia Sources
- Encyclopedia Britannica, inc. (n.d.). Hypatia. Encyclopedia Britannica. Retrieved September 10, 2021, from https://www.britannica.com/biography/Hypatia
- Hypatia. (n.d.). Retrieved September 10, 2021, from http://penelope.uchicago.edu/~grout/encyclopaedia_Romana/greece/paganism/hypatia.html.
- Zielinski, S. (2010, March 14). Hypatia, ancient Alexandria's great FEMALE SCHOLAR. Smithsonian.com. Retrieved September 10, 2021, from https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/hypatia-ancient-alexandrias-great-female-scholar-10942888/.
Victoria Kawēkiu Kaʻiulani Lunalilo Kalaninuiahilapalapa Cleghorn Sources
- Branch, John. “'I'm Not Anti-Anything. I'm pro-Hawaii.'.” The New York Times, The New York Times, 17 May 2021, www.nytimes.com/2021/05/17/sports/olympics/olympic-surfing-hawaii-flag.html.
- Fahrni, Jennifer. “Princess Kaiulani Her Life and Times by JENNIFER FAHRNI.” Princess Kaiulani, Her Life and Times, A Biography, 2009, princesskaiulaniproject.com/about_princess_kaiulani.htm.
- Ho, Sally. “Olympic Surfing Exposes Whitewashed Native Hawaiian Roots.” AP NEWS, Associated Press, 13 July 2021, apnews.com/article/2020-tokyo-olympics-games-racial-injustice-hawaii-surfing-5048591ab4620f8796a08ff54331fec0.
- Ho, Sally. “Native Hawaiians 'RECLAIM' Surfing with Moore's Olympic Gold.” AP NEWS, Associated Press, 5 Aug. 2021, apnews.com/article/2020-tokyo-olympics-surfing-hawaii-carissa-moore-272e71e4203c138221e66808a87e9564.
- Hulstrand, Janet. “Ka'iulani: Hawaii's Island Rose.” Smithsonian.com, Smithsonian Institution, 7 May 2009, www.smithsonianmag.com/history/kaiulani-hawaiis-island-rose-131796275/.
- Little, Becky. “Hawai'ian Surfers Have Been Riding Waves since the 17th Century.” History.com, A&E Television Networks, 15 Aug. 2018, www.history.com/news/women-surfers-1600s-hawaii-princess-gidget.
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