
Secondary Rules
Ryan Goss, Joshua Neoh
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I Look in People's Windows
Secondary Rules
09/20/24 • 34 min
Secondary Rules returns for a new season! This week, our ‘big idea’ is ‘The People’: Joshua and Ryan thinking about revolutions in France, the US and beyond; why it’s a bad idea to make big decisions on an empty stomach; and how everything comes back to the Parting of the Red Sea.
For more, check out:
Independence National Historic Park, Pennsylvania
Learn more about ANU Law here. Our thanks to the ANU College of Law and the ANU Centre for Learning and Teaching. The ANU acknowledges and celebrates the First Australians on whose traditional lands we meet, and pays our respect to elders past and present.

Is it over now?
Secondary Rules
10/25/24 • 45 min
In our season finale, our 'big idea’ is ‘THE CONSTITUTION’: Joshua and Ryan offer a cruel and unusual discussion of constitutional change, foreign powers, the role of “random” unelected judges, and apologise to our French and Tasmanian listeners.
Our reading for this week:
Breyer and Scalia on Judicial Interpretation
Learn more about ANU Law here. Our thanks to the ANU College of Law and the ANU Centre for Learning and Teaching. The ANU acknowledges and celebrates the First Australians on whose traditional lands we meet, and pays our respect to elders past and present.

Australian Capital Television v Commonwealth
Secondary Rules
09/22/23 • 34 min
‘Directly chosen’ for your enjoyment, this week we look at a case about free speech in a democratic society (and Joshua is a harsh marker of Ryan’s work), all of it ‘unaccompanied by moving images or other vocal sounds’.
- ACTV v Cth(1992)
- “Whither the Implied Freedom of Political Communication?” (2022 paper) Nettle J
Learn more about the ANU College of Law here. Our thanks to the ANU College of Law Marketing and Communications team. ANU acknowledges and celebrates the First Australians on whose traditional lands we meet, and pays our respect to elders past and present.

The Tortured Lawyers Department
Secondary Rules
09/13/24 • 1 min
Here’s the long-awaited trailer for the third season of ANU Law’s Secondary Rules podcast — coming soon!
Make sure you’re following or subscribed so you get the new episodes as soon as they land. Catch up on our back catalogue at https://secondary-rules.simplecast.com
Secondary Rules is hosted by ANU Law's Joshua Neoh and Ryan Goss. Learn more about ANU Law here. Our thanks to the ANU College of Law and the ANU Centre for Learning and Teaching. The ANU acknowledges and celebrates the First Australians on whose traditional lands we meet, and pays our respect to elders past and present.

Canadian Patriation Reference
Secondary Rules
08/25/23 • 36 min
Bonjour et bienvenue: how do you change the way a constitution changes, without being sure how to change the constitution? In each episode of Season 2, we tell the story of a great landmark court decision from around the world. This week we look at the fascinating Supreme Court of Canada decision in the Patriation Reference (1981).
- Patriation Reference(Re Resolution to amend the Constitution)(SCC, 1981)
- The Constitution Acts(1867, 1982)
- Ahmed, Albert & Perryarticle (2019)
Learn more about the ANU College of Law here. Our thanks to the ANU College of Law Marketing and Communications team. ANU acknowledges and celebrates the First Australians on whose traditional lands we meet, and pays our respect to elders past and present.

Brown v. Board of Education
Secondary Rules
08/04/23 • 38 min
This week, Joshua Neoh and Ryan Goss delve deep into one of the most pivotal cases in American legal history: Brown v. Board of Education, 347 U.S. 483 (1954). Discover how the case forever changed the landscape of education and civil rights in the United States through its ruling that state laws establishing racial segregation in public schools are unconstitutional.
Learn more about the ANU College of Law here. Our thanks to the ANU College of Law Marketing and Communications team. ANU acknowledges and celebrates the First Australians on whose traditional lands we meet, and pays our respect to elders past and present.

Wide Sargasso Sea
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09/23/22 • 35 min
This week on Secondary Rules, Joshua Neoh and Ryan Goss discuss the theatrical spectacle of Question Time and its constitutional purpose, and activate book club mode to think about why law is like a novel.
- Bovens on accountability (2007)
- Dworkin on Law as Interpretation (1982)
- Cooper v Stuart (1889, UKPC)
- Mabo (No 2) (1992, HCA)
If you're a student in Australian Public Law or Legal Theory this semester, more available on the course WATTLE sites.
Interested in starting your own law studies or learning more about our legal research? Learn more here.
Our thanks to Jack O’Brien, Tom Fearon, and the ANU College of Law for their production of the podcast. Our theme music is by Soul Shifters.
ANU acknowledges and celebrates the First Australians on whose traditional lands we meet, and pays our respect to Elders past and present.

King Charles III
Secondary Rules
09/09/22 • 37 min
This week on Secondary Rules, Joshua Neoh and Ryan Goss talk about the monarchy, the Queen, the King, and reflect on why legal theory matters.
- Prime Minister’s Statement on the Passing of HM The Queen
- Succession to the Throne
- 'London Bridge is down': the secret plan for the days after the Queen’s death (Sam Knight, The Guardian, March 2017)
If you're a student in Australian Public Law or Legal Theory this semester, more available on the course WATTLE sites.
Interested in starting your own law studies or learning more about our legal research? Learn more here.
Our thanks to Jack O’Brien, Tom Fearon, and the ANU College of Law for their production of the podcast. Our theme music is by Soul Shifters.
ANU acknowledges and celebrates the First Australians on whose traditional lands we meet, and pays our respect to Elders past and present.

Penguin Senators
Secondary Rules
09/03/22 • 38 min
This week on Secondary Rules, Joshua Neoh and Ryan Goss talk about why we ought to obey the law, the interaction between law and morality, the Territories as ‘constitutional teenagers’, and why this is (probably) the nation’s preeminent weekly territory-law podcast.
- Hart in the Harvard Law Review (1958)
- Fuller in the Harvard Law Review (1958)
- First Territory Senators Case (1975)
- Rubenstein, It’s time to give the ACT and NT stronger voices in parliament (15 Aug)
- Alicia Payne and Luke Gosling's territory euthanasia rights debate to start in Senate (Canberra Times, 31 August)
- The Constitution
If you're a student in Australian Public Law or Legal Theory this semester, more available on the course WATTLE sites.
Interested in starting your own law studies or learning more about our legal research? Learn more here.
Our thanks to Jack O’Brien, Tom Fearon, and the ANU College of Law for their production of the podcast. Our theme music is by Soul Shifters.
ANU acknowledges and celebrates the First Australians on whose traditional lands we meet, and pays our respect to Elders past and present.

Sovereignty on the Beach
Secondary Rules
10/18/24 • 44 min
This week’s ‘big idea’ is ‘SOVEREIGNTY’: Joshua and Ryan discuss Churchill, Guantanamo Bay, and Australian history.
Our reading for this week:
Churchill’s 'Blood, Toil, Tears and Sweat' speech
Carl Schmitt in the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy
“Even two world wars could not stop Australians casting their ballots, whether at home or on the battlefield” (Australian War Memorial)
Learn more about ANU Law here. Our thanks to the ANU College of Law and the ANU Centre for Learning and Teaching. The ANU acknowledges and celebrates the First Australians on whose traditional lands we meet, and pays our respect to elders past and present.
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FAQ
How many episodes does Secondary Rules have?
Secondary Rules currently has 32 episodes available.
What topics does Secondary Rules cover?
The podcast is about Human Rights, Australia, Democracy, Law, Courses, Podcasts, Education, Law School and Government.
What is the most popular episode on Secondary Rules?
The episode title 'Mazibuko v City of Johannesburg' is the most popular.
What is the average episode length on Secondary Rules?
The average episode length on Secondary Rules is 36 minutes.
How often are episodes of Secondary Rules released?
Episodes of Secondary Rules are typically released every 7 days.
When was the first episode of Secondary Rules?
The first episode of Secondary Rules was released on Jul 17, 2022.
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