
Ep 661: Auditing AI For Fairer Hiring
12/15/24 • 31 min
The adoption of AI in talent acquisition continues to accelerate, promising efficiencies and new possibilities for hiring. However, as AI tools become central to recruiting processes, they bring significant challenges, particularly around bias, compliance, and trust. Without clear oversight, these systems risk entrenching inequalities rather than addressing them.
So, how can talent acquisition leaders ensure that AI supports fairer hiring while safeguarding compliance and trust? And what role does auditing play in this critical process?
My guest this week is Jeff Pole, Co-founder and CEO of Warden AI, a company specializing in AI auditing for HR and TA Technologies. In our conversation, Jeff shares his insights on the importance of auditing AI systems, the emerging regulatory landscape, and how talent acquisition leaders can better understand and navigate the risks and opportunities of AI-powered hiring.
In the interview, we discuss:
- Is the current pace of innovation in AI set to continue?
- What are the main risks?
- Regulation, Legislation, and Ethics
- Is there a difference between AI influencing a hiring decision and AI making a hiring decision?
- How AI can be less biased and fairer than humans
- Holding machines to a higher standard than humans
- Shining a light on the AI systems used in recruiting and TA technology
- Continuous testing and monitoring
- How widespread is the issue, and how much AI bias has actually been found?
- What should TA leaders be considering when assessing AI solutions
- What does the future look like? How will AI change talent acquisition in the long term?
The adoption of AI in talent acquisition continues to accelerate, promising efficiencies and new possibilities for hiring. However, as AI tools become central to recruiting processes, they bring significant challenges, particularly around bias, compliance, and trust. Without clear oversight, these systems risk entrenching inequalities rather than addressing them.
So, how can talent acquisition leaders ensure that AI supports fairer hiring while safeguarding compliance and trust? And what role does auditing play in this critical process?
My guest this week is Jeff Pole, Co-founder and CEO of Warden AI, a company specializing in AI auditing for HR and TA Technologies. In our conversation, Jeff shares his insights on the importance of auditing AI systems, the emerging regulatory landscape, and how talent acquisition leaders can better understand and navigate the risks and opportunities of AI-powered hiring.
In the interview, we discuss:
- Is the current pace of innovation in AI set to continue?
- What are the main risks?
- Regulation, Legislation, and Ethics
- Is there a difference between AI influencing a hiring decision and AI making a hiring decision?
- How AI can be less biased and fairer than humans
- Holding machines to a higher standard than humans
- Shining a light on the AI systems used in recruiting and TA technology
- Continuous testing and monitoring
- How widespread is the issue, and how much AI bias has actually been found?
- What should TA leaders be considering when assessing AI solutions
- What does the future look like? How will AI change talent acquisition in the long term?
Previous Episode

Ep 660: Recruiting Rewired by AI
AI has profoundly impacted talent acquisition in 2024, but its influence has been far from uniform. In some areas, little has changed, while in others—such as high-volume hiring—there has been nothing short of a revolution. Automation has dramatically accelerated recruiting processes, improving the candidate and hiring manager experience in ways previously unimaginable. These advancements are signals of what's to come, with sweeping changes across talent acquisition potentially just months away.
With technology increasingly automating processes, the role of recruiters is evolving, raising urgent questions about what TA teams must do to stay relevant and strategic. Those who fail to adapt risk being left behind as automation reshapes our industry.
So, how can TA leaders and recruiters navigate this transformation, address challenges like bias, and embrace the opportunities AI presents to redefine their roles?
My guest this week is John Vlastelica, CEO of Recruiting Toolbox and a trusted advisor to some of the world's most innovative companies. John shares his insights on the key shifts happening in recruiting, the evolving role of recruiters, and how leaders can future-proof their teams in an AI-driven world.
In the interview, we discuss:
- How AI is impacting recruiting right now
- How does it change the jobs we recruit for?
- Unchecked human bias in traditional recruiting process
- Automation in high-volume and front-line hiring
- Segmentation of roles between automated and high-touch recruiting processes
- Inefficiency by design
- From talent acquisition to talent advisor, breaking the silos in HR
- Insights, Influence, and Impact
- Candidate "cheating"
- TA Tech vendors selling directly to the C-Suite
- The importance of having a plan to rationalize TA
- What is going to happen in 2025?
Next Episode

Ep 662: Talent Acquisition On The Brink
The rapid evolution of AI is reshaping talent acquisition, but many TA teams are struggling to keep pace. While AI offers the potential to revolutionize processes, reduce friction, and improve candidate experiences, adoption rates remain low. At the same time, businesses are under pressure to boost productivity and efficiency, leaving TA teams vulnerable to being left behind—or worse, having changes imposed on them without their input.
So, how can talent acquisition leaders embrace AI and use it to align themselves with broader corporate objectives?
My guest this week is Adam Godson, CEO of Paradox, a pioneer in conversational AI for talent acquisition. Adam shares valuable insights from working with industry leaders like McDonald’s and Chipotle, exploring how AI is transforming recruitment at scale. He discusses how TA leaders can harness AI to future-proof their organizations, deliver tangible ROI, and create hiring systems that prioritize speed, efficiency, and better candidate experiences.
In the interview, we discuss:
- Developments over the last 12 months
- What are employers who use conversational AI for hiring achieving?
- How McDonalds reduce time to hire from 21 days to 3 days
- How AI is massively improving the candidate experience
- The use of AI in high-volume hiring gives us a glimpse into the future.
- AI adoption is being driven by its impact on the bottom line.
- The importance of good system and experience design
- What will TA teams of the future look like?
- The challenge of challenging recruiting norms
- The opportunity for TA Leaders
- What is going to happen in 2025
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