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Real Technologists

Real Technologists

Trac Bannon

In our world today, technology plays an increasingly significant role in shaping our lives. The way we communicate, work, and even entertain ourselves is being revolutionized by tech. Behind every innovation, there's a person, a human being with unique experiences, perspectives and challenges. Understanding what shaped their perspective is a real goal. From The Sourced Network remote offices in Camp Hill, Pennsylvania, welcome to Real Technologists. Each week we explore the genuine stories and true journeys of folks shaping our digital future. How did they navigate this complex world of ours? What challenges did they face? What are the innovative ideas that continue to propel them forward? Each episode is crafted to broaden your perspective, spark innovation, and help you make better decisions by showcasing the diversity of thought and experiences within the tech industry. That's what Real Technologist is all about. I delve into the lives of innovators to discover their journeys, their passions, and their motivations. This is Trac Bannon, the host and storyteller for the Real Technologist Podcast. I've been in the tech industry since the 1990s. Along the way, I've worked with scientists, researchers, consultants, educators, military and hardcore technologists driving digital innovation. I'm an active member in many technical communities ranging from digital transformation to software architecture, to DevSecOps. With a vibrant network of professionals who are constantly monitoring what's going on, I've developed a passion for uncovering unique stories and perspectives. I believe that behind every technological innovation, there's a unique individual with a captivating story to tell. Our goal, my goal, is to bring you face-to-face with the real technologists behind the latest tech trends, and to give you a glimpse into their lives, their passions, their motivations. Real technologists is more than a podcast about diversity. It's about amplifying the goodness that comes from our diverse spectrum of voices and experiences. It's about genuine stories, true journeys, our complex world. Whether you're a tech enthusiast, an entrepreneur, or just curious about the world of technology insights, the interviews are sure to inspire and educate. Consider joining me weekly at Real Technologists. Each episode will leave you with something to noodle on.
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Real Technologists - Real Technologists: Robin Yeman
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05/17/23 • 23 min

I consider Robin Yeman a friend, though our story starts out with me being awestruck after listening to Robin present at the DevOps Enterprise Summit in 2019. She was among an impressive list of speakers that year including Dr. Nicole Forsgren, Rosalind Radcliffe, and Jonathan Smart.

In her role as a Senior Technical Fellow at Lockheed Martin, Robin partnered with Northrop Grumman Fellow, Suzette Johnson to present on a topic they called industrial DevOps. This is a hardcore mixing of software and systems engineering. What else would we expect from Lockheed Martin and Northrop Grummond? They are two of the DoD's most prolific defense contractors.

During the talk, they discussed ways to apply DevOps and continuous delivery to significant cyber-physical systems. Cyber-physical systems are things like robotics, warfighting, transportation, and complex medical devices.

My mind was blown. After they finished, I scurried to the stage to introduce myself. I had just begun working with the US Air Force and with the F-35 joint program office. Their experience and their materials would prove invaluable.

Robin and Suzette were approachable and gracious; after introductions, we compared notes and realized we were all, in one way or another, supporting a controversial figure named Nick Chaillan. He was the Air Force's First Chief software officer.

Over the course of the next few months, I reached out to Robin for insights and to bounce ideas about challenges to accelerating work done by and for the DoD. It's been a few years since that first introduction. That is how I went from a fan, to part of a network, to being a friend.

The more I've gotten to know Robin, the more incredible and inspiring her journey has been. Like me, this Real Technologist grew up in a small town, the type with small graduating classes, and where you seem to know everybody. Oneida is in upstate New York, about 30 minutes from Syracuse.

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Real Technologists - Real Technologists: Duena Blomstrom
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07/13/23 • 24 min

Trac Bannon:

To be honest, I don't remember when or how I was introduced to Duena Blomstrom. I do know that throughout the lockdowns, we began randomly hopping on calls together and chatting. It really helped us navigate the seeming melees that embrace the globe during the lockdowns.

We are constantly finding strong deep topics that focus on humans. We've debated gender affirming care, child rearing, and the joys of having a partner. And if I can be totally honest, I'd consider her a friend and a crush. That's right, a crush. This is not a romantic crush. This is when you connect with someone's message and their ways of expressing themselves. Hang on and you'll understand why.

One of the topics Duena and I come back to again and again is the idea of cognitive overload and human debt. Human debt is the kissing cousin of technical debt. Tech debt accrues Based on the decisions we make and possibly shortcuts we take that we will need to address or fix over time. As we make decisions, debt accumulates just like financial debt. The longer you wait to pay down the debt, generally, the bigger the debt grows and the greater the effort needed to fix it.

Human debt follows the same pattern. Human debt accrues when people's issues are not addressed and needs not met. When you ignore people's needs, human debts accrue at the team level, and even at the enterprise. Teams can be empowered to reduce their human debt by learning to measure and improve their behaviors to become happier, to feel a sense of psychological safety and to experience high performing dynamics.

I can talk to Duena about the human element of the technical world and she just gets it.

She's also wildly independent and authentic. When we got together to record her episode of Real Technologists, she showed up in beautiful colors, perfectly applied vibrant makeup, nifty earrings, and vaping... all this to record audio.

Duena Blomstrom:

If I were to puff on this... Will you hear it and destroy your audio?

Trac Bannon: There's raw authenticity for you. She was savvy enough to ask if the mics and recording equipment would pick up the sound of her vaping... Of course Bob, our recording engineer, popped on screen and told her to hit the vape and he would check the sound levels. Duena was cleared to vape and be her normal self. It was midday US and Duena dialed in from her office in the UK.

Duena Blomstrom:

I'm just tired, babe. I've been awake since 5:00 AM.

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Real Technologists - Real Technologists: Helen Beal
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02/08/24 • 20 min

Trac Bannon: A few years ago, I was introduced to Helen Beal through our work with the DevOps Institute. Helen was the Chief Ambassador and I was submitting my credentials for consideration as an ambassador.

We are both combed-shaped people and naturally had so many topics and passion areas to talk about. What is a comb-shaped person, you may ask?

It's more likely that you've heard the metaphor of a "T-shaped person". The horizontal bar of the letter "T" represents the breadth of skills in multiple areas... the vertical bar of the "T" represents exceptional depth in one area. T-shaped folks are very very competent in their primary field. Their breadth is a little more shallow though it is this mix that helped "Ts" to collaborate with a wider context.

Well, what, then is a comb-shaped person? The spine of the comb represents competency and awareness in a bunch of topics... much like the horizontal bar for the T-shaped person. Each tooth of the comb is a different area of depth. This is Helen Beal. She is particularly valuable in situations with rapid change... she is that person who can synthesize with many different deep specializations.

I admire this life force named Helen Beal. We have a shared commitment to technical expertise, continuous learning, and community engagement. But it is her ability to juggle roles and interests that makes me simply a fan girl. It was time to learn more about this Real Technologist.

Helen was born in Yorkshire in the North of England. The countryside, history, and distinct regional character remind me of Vermont. When she was six, her father left the Royal Air Force and took a job with a civilian airline that included moving the family closer to Gatwick and the international airports.

Her mother was a science teacher, and it was her mother who decided to teach her to read along with her older brother Simon when Helen was barely three...

Helen Beal: So my mother taught me to read when I was three. I was holding books up when I was one. I held them upside down. I can actually read quite effectively upside down, which is quite handy when you're opposite someone at a desk or in a restaurant and there aren't quite enough menus to go around.

Simon is 18 months older than me. And the reason my mother taught me to read at 3 is because she was teaching him and she could see that I was also ready. So she taught us both together.

I've always been a bookworm. And that's kind of my first love really is reading and storytelling and writing with, you know, they're so intertwined.

And I think at school I was a swot, frankly. I was a nerd. I really enjoyed school. I really enjoyed learning. I was the girl that would finish the maths exercises and ask the maths teacher for more maths, please.

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Real Technologists - Real Technologists: Rosalind Radcliffe
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03/22/23 • 21 min

Full transcript and resources for this episode: https://realtechnologists.org/

I first met Rosalind Radcliffe during the early days of the pandemic. We were both invited guests on a technical panel called DevOps Unbound. Our topic? Exploring the reality of DevOps and compliance. Following usual protocol, the moderator shared the names of the other panelists. Time for a little Googling.

Rosalind's experience in education pops off the page at you: an IBM distinguished engineer recently elevated and celebrated as a prestigious IBM fellow. Much of her focus appeared to be on z/OS. z/OS is a 64-bit operating system for IBM z/Architecture mainframes. It's been around since the early 2000's. Being on a panel with Rosalind discussing and debating DevOps was going to be interesting.

Our panel discussion was meaty diving into the fallacy that you can buy agile and do DevOps. Where Rosalind and I found we were squarely aligned is on the core challenge: the real meaning of modernization and the curse of buzzwords.

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Real Technologists - Real Technologists: Jennifer Leggio
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03/29/23 • 24 min

Full transcript and resources for this episode: https://realtechnologists.org/

Jennifer Leggio is a fixture in the Cybersecurity industry. She's a no-nonsense communicator and that makes her perfect for her role in marketing, security solutions, and building communities.

Jennifer has an honest approach to discussing security which has become her trademark. Jennifer is legendary in her push for accountability and security marketing. Building on principles of disclosing with integrity and honesty in content. It's no surprise that she's a Chief Marketing Officer for Netography, a startup Cybersecurity platform addressing the complex networks we use now... different devices, remote and hybrid operations.

In her own words, "we must truly care in our bones about helping others protect their companies." This is the type of empathy that Jennifer brings to Cybersecurity domain.

When she started her career, Jennifer was focused on writing; not technology. Her journey from writer to well known voice for Cybersecurity is filled with discovery.

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Real Technologists - Real Technologists: Caroline Wong
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04/12/23 • 23 min

My first exposure to Caroline Wong was in 2021. It was the height of the pandemic lockdowns, and we were brought together virtually, to discuss mentoring in technology. I was instantly drawn to her focus on happiness and on avoiding toxicity.

She's wicked smart, having received a degree in electrical engineering and computer science from UC Berkeley. When you meet her, when you hear her, it's no wonder she is currently the Chief Strategy Officer at Cobalt, a firm focused on PenTesting as a service.

While all this sounds like a natural fit, Caroline's journey is filled with twists, turns, courage, and fate.

Caroline was born and raised in San Francisco, the daughter of Chinese immigrants. Her mother was a trained biologist turned a stay-at-home mom.

Her parents wanted only the best for their daughter. They taught her from an early age that college was not a choice. It was a natural next step. Expectations were set including her father insisting on her taking the most difficult engineering program available.

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Real Technologists - Real Technologists: Katy Craig
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04/05/23 • 28 min

When I met Katy Craig in 2017, it was in her role as a cyber security pro. She was working for Deloitte focusing on DoD and more specifically, the Navy.

Given her cool and matter of fact countenance, she struck me as a natural for identifying and mitigating risk. More importantly was her handling of issues that struck. She is level headed and her delivery is often as even and level as her opinion and common sense.

So it was no stretch to find out over dinner one evening in San Diego that she also taught college courses on cyber security and ethical hacking. I found myself thinking, wow, this is a badass.

According to a research study of 30 million cyber security analysts profiled by Zipplia, nearly 79% of cybersecurity professionals are male. That's the current state of the industry. Imagine what it was like in 1989 when Katy first got started in security.

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Real Technologists - Real Technologists: Lonye Ford
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04/19/23 • 21 min

Being a part of a community means investing time to grow the community. You've got to keep a pulse on the voices, ideas, and themes, and look for way to continuously contribute. Sometimes, it could be a blog post, other times, maybe an open dialogue. I was organizing a panel on DevSecOps and CyberSecurity in government and looking for a well balanced set of experts. The panel's list was shaping up though I noticed a trend of going to the same old folks. Reaching out to a colleague for ideas, we realized the community had some early warning signs of stagnation. We need to have a constant influx of new ideas and perspectives.

My colleague said, "I have someone you must meet! Her name is Lonye Ford and she's gonna blow your mind."

A few clicks later I had a facilitated intro. Email led the way to a Zoom call. My colleague was right... Lonye joined the call and immediately, we could simply feel her presence. She's a mix of grit and grace. Articulate with an accent hailing from Chicago, Lonye experienced, level headed and determined.

Lonye grew up in Chicago's south side. Her predominantly all black community was underserved, surrounded by high crime rates and limited opportunities.

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Real Technologists - Real Technologists: Adrienne Shulman
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05/10/23 • 21 min

I was introduced to Adrienne Shulman through our mutual involvement with the DevOps community. We had an immediate sense of camaraderie and purpose looking to inspire the next generation of technologists. Adrienne, in particular, is passionate about the need for more women developers. We had lengthy discussions on Slack about different dimensions of this problem.

You see, Adrienne spent many years as an instructor for the Girls Who Code organization. Their mission is to close the gender gap in technology and to change the image of what a programmer looks like and what a programmer does.

Adrienne and I had some pretty heavy discussions on the continued trend to celebrate "women developers", "women engineers", "women leaders", and even "girls who code". My own journey as a software architect continuously pushing to improve made me post this to Adrienne: if you are excellent at your craft, does your gender or other personal trait need to be part of your title? If we can elevate the focus to be on character and achievements, can we take control of our own adjectives?

We agreed that the answer is not binary and that the context of the conversation matters. This is how Real Technologists concept and podcast was born. From a passionate Slack discussion.

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Real Technologists - Real Technologists: Sejal Amin
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05/03/23 • 26 min

It’s so interesting to me, how social media platforms and industry groups can facilitate new friendships and enhance networking. We all hear that it is possible, though when you take a step back, how many relationships have you grown this way? It takes deliberate effort and an openness to reach out to others.

This is how I met Sejal Amin, the current CTO of Shutterstock. By commenting and contributing to LinkedIn conversations on the importance of value streams for modern software delivery, we followed one another and eventually, agreed to connect. What I didn’t know at the time was that Sejal is an influential member of the value stream management consortium (VSMC).

What is a Value Stream? A value stream is the sequence of activities necessary to deliver a product, service or experience to a customer, internal or external. Value streams cut across and connect siloed business capabilities. For those in the software design and delivery realm, you may see a natural alignment to the concepts of DevSecOps and the ability to deliver value to the end user. This is how I learned about applying value streams to software; as an umbrella to DevSecOps flow.

In October of 2022, the Value Stream Management Consortium held their first conference in Las Vegas. They chose the time and place carefully to dovetail with the yearly DevOps Enterprise Summit. There were nearly 100 folks gathered to discuss the importance and advance the topic and I happened to walk in the door nearly last. I had taken a wrong turn when I walked into Bally’s Hotel and Convention area. As I walked into the main conference room, I was greeted by multiple folks I had been chatting with on social platforms and even through an occasional zoom call.

A fireball of a woman walked up to me and said, “I finally get to meet you, Trac! I’m a fan girl!” I was surprised and warmed by the welcome. Her name was Sejal. We took our seats to kick start the day’s sessions. As the morning unfolded, and the experts shared their topics, I was stunned and excited to find out that Sejal was Sejal Amin, the CTO of Shutterstock who is leading their adoption of generative artificial intelligence.

We share a love of technology and a love of building teams. We also share one other attribute: we have lived our entire lives in the states where we were born. I’m Pennsylvaina born and bred. Sejal Amin has lived her entire life in New Jersey.

Sejal is first generation US born. Her family immigrated to the US from India during the early 1970s.

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Real Technologists currently has 27 episodes available.

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The podcast is about Podcasts, Technology and Comedy.

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The episode title 'Real Technologists: Rosalind Radcliffe' is the most popular.

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The average episode length on Real Technologists is 22 minutes.

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Episodes of Real Technologists are typically released every 7 days.

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The first episode of Real Technologists was released on Mar 13, 2023.

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