
S2 E33 - The Myth of the Instant Bestseller, with JT Greathouse
02/10/24 • 54 min
As our one and only return guest, JT Greathouse joins us for the launch of Season 2, this time in his capacity as a true-hybrid author (with a bookseller's eye). JT sold his debut, HAND OF THE SUN KING, to a UK publisher, but didn't get a USA deal. With the support and help of his literary agency, he opted to self-publish the American version in the States.
This week, we talk about the process of getting your books into stores, the nitty gritty of distribution in relation to small presses, indie authors, and hybrid folks like JT, how to make smart choices, the ways in which books can build towards success, and the (psychologically) damaging myth of the "instant best seller" launch.
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- the advantages of splitting rights versus selling world rights
- Thinking about strategies for selling the rights of your book
- self pub USA, trad pub UK
- The importance of ingram
- Why are book royalties so low in trad? What does higher royalties mean in the context of smaller presses
- Good presale numbers--how to calculate this as a debut (jeremy's 'vibe check' formula)
- Debuts not making or breaking you
- how online discussions skew our perception of success
- how to make good decisions
- Jeremy and Scott bicker (good-naturedly) over the definition of "tiers"
- Bookseller mentality re hype and sales
- Small, achievable goals - not totally powerless!
- NEW PODCAST SECTION: The Smallest Hill You're Willing To Die On
As our one and only return guest, JT Greathouse joins us for the launch of Season 2, this time in his capacity as a true-hybrid author (with a bookseller's eye). JT sold his debut, HAND OF THE SUN KING, to a UK publisher, but didn't get a USA deal. With the support and help of his literary agency, he opted to self-publish the American version in the States.
This week, we talk about the process of getting your books into stores, the nitty gritty of distribution in relation to small presses, indie authors, and hybrid folks like JT, how to make smart choices, the ways in which books can build towards success, and the (psychologically) damaging myth of the "instant best seller" launch.
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- the advantages of splitting rights versus selling world rights
- Thinking about strategies for selling the rights of your book
- self pub USA, trad pub UK
- The importance of ingram
- Why are book royalties so low in trad? What does higher royalties mean in the context of smaller presses
- Good presale numbers--how to calculate this as a debut (jeremy's 'vibe check' formula)
- Debuts not making or breaking you
- how online discussions skew our perception of success
- how to make good decisions
- Jeremy and Scott bicker (good-naturedly) over the definition of "tiers"
- Bookseller mentality re hype and sales
- Small, achievable goals - not totally powerless!
- NEW PODCAST SECTION: The Smallest Hill You're Willing To Die On
Previous Episode

31 - SEASON FINALE: Leverage, success, and life after Debut Year
Our final show of the season! This week, we talk frankly about author leverage--what it means, and how to use it. We also discuss when and how to pitch new books on proposal, the impact of past sales on that process, and why Scott is (probably) walking away from writing trad fantasy as a result.
Other topics: we reflect on regrets and highlights across the past year, do a quick summary of where we are, why we've slowed down, and what's going on, AND our plans for Season 2 (there will be one!) and how it will be different from Season 1.
Finally, Scott introduces a new shiny thing we've been working on: the Author Data Project, an adult-fiction version of the YA research that Dr. Kerry Pray conducted and discussed in an earlier episode.
Links to the other 2 podcasts we mentioned and recommended:
- The Failing Writers Podcast, featuring Jon Rand, Tom Turner, and Dave Baird: https://www.failingwriterspodcast.com/
- Great fun, honest conversations, fantastic guests!
- Cover Meeting, with Steve Leard: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cover-meeting/id1706806306
- A side of the industry authors normally don't see!
Next Episode

S2 Ep 34 - Challenging Tradpub's 'Culture of Defeatism', with Mark Stay of THE BESTSELLER EXPERIMENT
In addition to writing bestselling novels and cofounding a viral podcast (THE BESTSELLER EXPERIMENT), Mark Stay also spent many years working with bookstores and publishers, gaining great insight to all sides of the industry. We chat to Mark about his varied experiences, and reflect back on the seven years he spent recording his groundbreaking podcast. This one is fun and quite eye-opening for behind-the-scenes stuff.
- 00:00 Introduction and Podcast Origins
- 01:09 Mark Stay's Background and Bestseller Experiment
- 02:45 The Impact and Pressure of Bestseller Experiment
- 03:10 The Success and Community of Bestseller Experiment
- 04:05 Lessons Learned from Bestseller Experiment
- 05:17 Disillusionment and Quitting While Ahead
- 06:12 Finding the Right Tone for Bestseller Experiment
- 07:31 Defeatism in Traditional Publishing
- 08:12 The Empathy and Doom Scrolling of Creatives
- 09:25 The Challenges of Self-Publishing
- 10:34 The Importance of Loving the Process
- 11:49 Mark Stay's Journey from Bookseller to Author
- 13:35 The Experience of Traditional Publishing
- 15:49 The Unconventional Paths in Publishing
- 19:00 Self-Publishing the Bestseller Experiment Book
- 20:33 The Challenges of Selling a Genre-Bending Book
- 22:44 Takeaways for Authors to Give Their Books a Good Shot
- 28:29 The Impact of the Podcast on Scott Drakeford's Publishing Journey
- 32:42 The Reception and Impact of the Podcast
- 35:16 Challenges Faced by Publishers
- 37:06 Focus on Brand Authors
- 38:04 Neglecting Growing Authors
- 39:03 Ineffective Advertising Campaigns
- 40:00 The Mistake of Becoming Bigger
- 42:21 Digital Publishers and Genre Preferences
- 43:18 Preference for Tangible Books
- 44:09 The Importance of Book Covers
- 45:37 Amazon's Dominance and Publishers' Reliance
- 46:31 Amazon's Control and Negotiations
- 47:02 Amazon's Focus on Other Ventures
- 48:31 Visibility and Impact of Amazon on Authors
- 49:28 The Influence of Nielsen BookScan
- 53:41 Diversity in Publishing
- 55:05 The Future of Publishing and Concerns
- 56:02 American Cultural Imperialism
- 01:03:19 Smallest Hill to Die On: Americanization of British English
- 01:09:06 Plugs: Bestseller Experiment, Witches of Woodville
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