Kyle and Joe - Q&A: The Many Uses of Psychedelics

11/19/19 • 67 min

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In this episode, Kyle and Joe sit down to cover questions from listeners of the show. They discuss topics that include psychedelic use for exorcisms, cluster headaches, athletic performance, processing grief and more.

3 Key Points:

There are a few examples where psychedelics are used to increase athletic performance. Psychedelics can also be used to help realign those who are using sports as a form of distraction from internalized issues.
When eliminating variables for psilocybin consistency in mushrooms for therapeutic use, freeze drying helps. But there are so many variables in mushrooms versus synthesized psilocybin.
When addressing the sustainability of the Toad, according to the data, there isn't a real difference between 5-MEO-DMT from a toad and synthesized 5-MEO-DMT

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Show Notes Kratom Warning

Joe brings up an issue that was brought up to him by a physician from the Wholeness Center, Dr. Craig Heacock, out of Fort Collins, CO
Dr. Heacock warns about Kratom
- It is safer than opioids, but it can be physically addictive and getting off of it can be horrible
- Kratom withdrawal closely imitates opioid withdrawal
- The receptor site activity is the same as opioid pills

Using Psychedelics for an Exorcism

Kyle thinks of shamanic uses for plant medicines, and with the idea of purging and spiritual emergence, working in non-ordinary states can exacerbate these states and maybe help with this kind of work
Joe and Kyle go into writings from Stan Grof, explaining the physical appearance of those going through LSD psychotherapy or breathwork, and how it assimilates to an ‘exorcism’ of releasing the bad
The purging during a psychedelic experience may feel evil, or alien
Joe and Kyle say, do not perform an exorcism, leave it to the trained people

Treating Cluster Headaches with Psychedelics

Cluster Busters is an organization for the research on cluster headaches
LSD works for some as well as oxygen treatments work for others
We know a lot more about migraines than cluster headaches
- The migraine is where neurons in the brain start misfiring and create a firing storm

How can Psilocybin Mushrooms be Standardized in Production for Therapeutic Use?

Joe says the practical solution is to have a really large amount of psilocybe cubensis, all blended up, and then split in even doses
There are potency differences between species, strains, etc
There are so many variances with mushrooms versus synthetic psilocybin
Freeze drying also promotes close to 0% loss of psilocybin when drying mushrooms

Psychedelics and Athletic Performance

There may be psychological blocks that are getting in the way of a person reaching the peak performance of their genome
- It could be trauma, or psychological blocks
Athletic performance could be a distraction from what you're really here to do
- Athletes have a lot of dysfunctional behavior
- Psychedelics may show us our bad behavior and help us align
Kyle says he had this passion to snowboard and dedicate his life to snowboarding, and then he received a message in journeywork that told him snowboarding is simply a hobby and he needs to focus his life on other things
“Sports are a great way to cover up our emotions” - Joe
Kyle mentions tow other episodes that cover similar topics

3 Key Points:

There are a few examples where psychedelics are used to increase athletic performance. Psychedelics can also be used to help realign those who are using sports as a form of distraction from internalized issues.
When eliminating variables for psilocybin consistency in mushrooms for therapeutic use, freeze drying helps. But there are so many variables in mushrooms versus synthesized psilocybin.
When addressing the sustainability of the Toad, according to the data, there isn't a real difference between 5-MEO-DMT from a toad and synthesized 5-MEO-DMT

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Show Notes Kratom Warning

Joe brings up an issue that was brought up to him by a physician from the Wholeness Center, Dr. Craig Heacock, out of Fort Collins, CO
Dr. Heacock warns about Kratom
- It is safer than opioids, but it can be physically addictive and getting off of it can be horrible
- Kratom withdrawal closely imitates opioid withdrawal
- The receptor site activity is the same as opioid pills

Using Psychedelics for an Exorcism

Kyle thinks of shamanic uses for plant medicines, and with the idea of purging and spiritual emergence, working in non-ordinary states can exacerbate these states and maybe help with this kind of work
Joe and Kyle go into writings from Stan Grof, explaining the physical appearance of those going through LSD psychotherapy or breathwork, and how it assimilates to an ‘exorcism’ of releasing the bad
The purging during a psychedelic experience may feel evil, or alien
Joe and Kyle say, do not perform an exorcism, leave it to the trained people

Treating Cluster Headaches with Psychedelics

Cluster Busters is an organization for the research on cluster headaches
LSD works for some as well as oxygen treatments work for others
We know a lot more about migraines than cluster headaches
- The migraine is where neurons in the brain start misfiring and create a firing storm

How can Psilocybin Mushrooms be Standardized in Production for Therapeutic Use?

Joe says the practical solution is to have a really large amount of psilocybe cubensis, all blended up, and then split in even doses
There are potency differences between species, strains, etc
There are so many variances with mushrooms versus synthetic psilocybin
Freeze drying also promotes close to 0% loss of psilocybin when drying mushrooms

Psychedelics and Athletic Performance

There may be psychological blocks that are getting in the way of a person reaching the peak performance of their genome
- It could be trauma, or psychological blocks
Athletic performance could be a distraction from what you're really here to do
- Athletes have a lot of dysfunctional behavior
- Psychedelics may show us our bad behavior and help us align
Kyle says he had this passion to snowboard and dedicate his life to snowboarding, and then he received a message in journeywork that told him snowboarding is simply a hobby and he needs to focus his life on other things
“Sports are a great way to cover up our emotions” - Joe
Kyle mentions tow other episodes that cover similar topics

Previous Episode

Jac Harrison - DMT Inspired Music: How DMT Mimics The Near-Death Experience

In this episode, Kyle sits down with Jac Harrison, a grammy nominated music producer. Kyle and Jac talk about music as therapy, how DMT mimics the near death experience, and how Jac produces music based on frequencies of mystical experiences.

3 Key Points:

Jac shares his story about his near death experience, and how DMT has been a therapeutic option for him to cope with his crippling anxiety and PTSD.
Jac is a music producer, who uses frequencies from mystical experiences to produce music. His music helps people with addiction, sleep issues, anxiety, and more.
Music is not an FDA approved medicine, but if there is music that tricks your mind into thinking you have taken a medicine, then it should be an option for those suffering.

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Show Notes About Jac

In 2008, Jac was newly married with a baby on the way
He needed a new job, and accepted one with Whole Foods Magazine
Around 2011, the owner of the company became ill, and gave his company to his daughter, who was awful
Jac said that he knew something had to change
He started his music career, went under a lot of stress, and went through a divorce
- Everything started to go okay with his music career, money was pouring in
- His first album was Musicians Collection Project
He had a ton of anxiety after the divorce, and had high blood pressure
- He took some cold medicine, on top of his blood pressure medicine, totally forgot about it, then decided to have a glass of wine with a friend
- The next thing he knew, he was in an ambulance getting his chest pounded on
- They told him he was in and out all night, and practically died
After this near death experience, he felt amazing!
- But the feeling of greatness only lasted about 3 weeks, and then his anxiety came back, and it was crippling

A Synchronistic Event

Jac says he doesn't believe in magic or witchcraft or any woo woo
For his 39th birthday, he was working a trade show
He ran around his hotel in Las Vegas, screaming that he felt he was going to die
- He didn't know how, but he could feel it
- Everyone thought he was crazy
Moments later, was the shooting right outside of his hotel
- It was the Las Vegas shooting
He does believe in coincidence
- He had this overwhelming feeling that something bad was going to happen, it was his intuition

Understanding the Experience

After trying to figure out what this all meant, he took a 2000mg bar of chocolate to blast off, trying to relive his near death experience
- He said, there was a lot of frequency, and as a musician, he felt like he could mimic it
- His first album, and first song on the album, Relief, was about his experience when he died
- His music is found at MindToyBox
- Each song he did after that, catalogs the DMT experience he had
“An old projector TV, I had one for a while, it was great. The light came on and told me I needed to change the bulb. I changed the bulb and saw in a new and clear way forever. That's what DMT is like.” - Jac
Kyle says that when he attended COSM for the DMT Spirit Molecule release party, Rick Strassman was there and said that the idea that DMT comes out of the pineal gland is just a hypothesis, and people took it and ran with it as truth

Frequency for Healing

After he smoked DMT, he heard this humming, and so he started humming and recording it as a frequency for the album
He took opium, and then figured out the frequency that sub...

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Andy Frasco - Finding Balance with Psychedelics and other Substances as a Touring Musician

In today’s episode, Joe sits down with Andy Frasco, a touring rock musician with the band, Andy Frasco and the UN. In the show, they cover what is it like to be a touring rock musician with drugs so available and how to live more healthfully in the space.

3 Key Points:

Andy Frasco is a talented, touring music artist a part of the band, Andy Frasco and the UN, as well as a podcast show host. Andy uses psychedelics to help cope with the anxiety that the rock star lifestyle brings.
Psychedelics open us up to the possibility that everything we know is wrong. Finding truth and clarity for some people is hard, and people resort to alcohol and other harmful behaviors to suppress the painful reality we live in.
Cocaine and uppers only keep a rock star up for so long. It keeps you awake for the partying, but it suppresses all the stresses of the lifestyle. Psychedelics and meditation can help with the balance needed in a stressful, lifestyle of traveling and fame.

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Show Notes Intro

Joe attended a bunch of his live shows and was able to catch up with Andy in his hotel room while he was in town
Life is tough for a traveling entertainer, so the healthier they are, the better they are to perform for their audience
Andy Frasco’s World Saving Podcast

Micro-dosing

Microdosing is typically 6 weeks on, two weeks off, dosing every 3 days
1/10-3/10ths of a gram (of mushrooms) is the typical microdose
- Once you feel it, it's more of a macro-dose
Paul Stamets has made mushrooms popular

Mushroom Evolution

Mushrooms did not leave a mark on bone structure, so it's hard to tell if they actually made a difference in human evolution
- Drugs have been around for a long time, and people in the past have definitely used them
There are studies of mushrooms helping to grow nerve cells and brain neurons back
We are only 50-100 years in on science “(Psychedelics) open you up to the possibility that everything you know is wrong.” -Terence McKenna
Joe says he's been to a therapist a bunch of times, and he says he has enjoyed it
- Joe’s main form of therapy has been Breathwork
- His most intense experiences have been just as powerful as his Ayahuasca experience

About Andy

Andy says he is open about taking psychedelics, he takes mushrooms, he doesn't really use cocaine
- He says he feels more anxious when he isn't taking them than when he is
- He says he gets really anxious on weed now as he gets older
Psychedelics show us a lot of truths
“We are all trying to figure out life, it's hard. Psychedelics help us create a better relationship with our mind.” - Andy
Andy says he has been anxious his whole life
- He has had very scary panic attacks
- He became addicted to sex as a crutch for his anxiety
- He woke up one day, and sex didn't give him the thrill anymore
- Andy started in the music industry because rock stars get the chicks
Teen years are just about being super insecure about everything
- Shame is a huge influence on our relationships with other people
“The majority of effects from drug use for people are good.” - a quote from Carl Hart, a Psychology Professor who studies drug use
Andy's first psychedelic experience was an 8th of mushrooms at 18 years old