
Principle of Charity
Emile Sherman, Lloyd Vogelman
Are you ready to burst your filter bubble? To hit pause on righteous anger? Principle of Charity injects curiosity and generosity back into difficult conversations, bringing together two expert guests with opposing views on big social issues.
But here’s the twist: as well as passionately advocating their own views, each guest is challenged to present the best, most generous version of the other’s argument.
This unique format comes from an ancient idea - the principle of charity - which tells us to seek the truth, not to win the fight; to truly understand the other before we instinctively reject them.
The podcast is hosted by Emile Sherman and Lloyd Vogelman. Emile is an Academy and Emmy Award-winning film & TV producer who’s obsessively curious about ideas and holds onto the naïve belief that a generous conversion is still the best way to get to the truth. Lloyd has a doctorate in psychology, spent years as a leader in the fight against apartheid before building reconciliation in South Africa, and describes himself as a recovering extremist who’s passionate about the potential to change our minds.
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You can find Emile at: @EmileSherman on Twitter, @EmileSherman on Linkedin,
You can find Lloyd at: @Lloydvogelman on Linkedin
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Nature VS Nurture Pt 2: On the Couch with Robert Plomin
Principle of Charity
02/06/23 • 32 min
In Principle of Charity on the Couch, Lloyd has an unfiltered conversation with the guest, throws them curveballs, and gets into the personal side of Principle of Charity.
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Nature VS Nurture Pt 1: Can We Mould Our Kids With Geneticist Robert Plomin
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01/30/23 • 61 min
Behavioural geneticist Robert Plomin’s book Blueprint, How DNA Makes Us Who We Are has changed lives. Robert is arguably the leading figure in behavioural genetics, working across the field for many decades. In his book Blueprint, he shows us the extraordinary evidence for our genetic nature being the absolutely dominant force in predicting who we are and will become. In fact about 50% of everything we care about is predicted by our genes. Not just our weight and height, but schizophrenia, anxiety and depression, to personality traits like agreeableness, grit, and love of learning, through to general intelligence and even university success.
Emile and Lloyd probe Robert for the implications his research has for how we approach parenting. Outside of loving and protecting our children, Robert says parents can let go a bit of that inner panic that tells them that their role is to mould their kids, that their actions are crucial determinants in their children growing up to be smart, resilient, growth mindset, kind, enthusiastic, healthy, non-anxious or depressed, adults. Parents are just not that important, except in the genes they’ve passed on. Most radically of all, Plomin entreats us to focus on enjoying our time with our children, saying that parenting matters most just through the quality of our experiences together.
Robert Plomin
Robert Plomin is Professor of Behavioural Genetics in the Social, Genetic and Developmental Psychiatry (SGDP) Centre at The Institute of Psychiatry, Psychology and Neuroscience, King’s College London. His research brings together genetic and environmental strategies to investigate the developmental interplay between nature and nurture. In 1994 when he came to the UK from the US, he launched the Twins Early Development Study (TEDS), which continues to thrive. He has published more than 900 papers and a dozen books, which have been cited more than 130,000 times. His latest book is Blueprint: How DNA Makes Us Who We Are (Penguin, 2019).
After 50 years of research, Robert has come to the view that inherited DNA differences are the major systematic force that makes us who we are as individuals – our mental health and illness, our personality and our cognitive abilities and disabilities. The environment is important, but it works completely different from the way we thought it worked. The DNA revolution has made it possible to use DNA to predict our psychological problems and promise from birth. These advances in genetic research call for a radical rethink about what makes us who we are, with sweeping, and no doubt controversial, implications for the way we think about parenting, education and the events that shape our lives.
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This Podcast is Produced by Jonah Primo and Bronwen Reid
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Do Criminals Deserve to be Punished?
Principle of Charity
05/09/22 • 65 min
When someone breaks the law, most of us have an instinct that they should be punished. In fact, that they deserve to be punished. At the base of this is a sense that we are morally responsible for our actions and we should get our ‘just deserts’ if we make bad choices.
This assumption is deeply encoded in the criminal law itself. Sure, there are other reasons we may want to put criminals behind bars – keeping society safe, deterring others from committing the same crime, even rehabilitation. But deep down lies the instinct of ‘retribution’, that a person who has done wrong just deserves to be punished for their wrongdoing.
But why do they? Well, at the root of it is our cherished belief that we have ‘free will’. That we make our decisions freely and that we can choose to act differently.
Our guest Gregg Carusso rejects this idea entirely. He sees free will as an illusion. He asks us to consider a justice system built entirely without retributive justice, where no one is imprisoned because they ‘deserve’ to be punished. Gregg is Professor of Philosophy, State University New York, Corning, Honorary Professor at Sydney’s Macquarie University and Co Director of the Justice Without Retribution Network at the University of Aberdeen, Scotland.
In his latest book Just Deserts, Gregg debates with fellow philosopher Daniel C Dennett moral responsibility, punishment and free will.
Our other guest, Katrina Sifferd believes the justice system can and should be grounded in a concept of free will. She shares some concerns with Gregg that the system is at times overly punitive, but believes that we have the capacity to act as morally responsible individuals. In fact, in her book ‘Responsible Brains’, she looks at the neuroscience at work in our brain, and sees our ‘executive function’ as the seat of our moral responsibility. Katrina is professor and chair of philosophy at Chicago’s Elmurst University and co editor in chief of the publication Neuro-ethics. Katrina earned a Juris Doctorate and has worked on criminal justice projects for the US National Institute of Justice. She is the author of numerous articles and book chapters on responsibility, criminal law and punishment.
You can be part of the discussion @PofCharity on Twitter, @PrincipleofCharity on Facebook and @PrincipleofCharityPodcast on Instagram.
Your hosts are Lloyd Vogelman and Emile Sherman.
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This Podcast is Produced by Jonah Primo and Bronwen Reid
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Will AI Take Our Jobs, and if so, is that OK?
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07/26/21 • 54 min
We first touch on the perennial question, whether technological disruption, this time in the form of AI, will ultimately eat our jobs so entirely that there’s no paid work left for us to do.
We then take this prospect seriously enough to ask - will that in fact be a good thing?
Is paid employment the cornerstone for the good life; rich with purpose, meaning, providing us the reward for our efforts, keeping us out of mischief, and holding society together?
OR, is work, in fact, the pain we go through to have leisure. And freed from work, would we be able to find a greater sense of flourishing, as we use our time for family, community, pursuing interests, or just having fun.
We have one of Australia’s leading public policy thinkers, John Daley, former CEO of the Grattan Institute, to console us that neither jobs nor the role of paid work, will be going anywhere, anytime. And philosopher Simon Longstaff, executive director of The Ethics Centre, who holds the contrary view, urging us to rethink the role and importance of paid work.
You can be part of the discussion @PofCharity on Twitter, @PrincipleofCharity on Facebook and @PrincipleofCharityPodcast on Instagram.
Your hosts are Lloyd Vogelman and Emile Sherman.
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This Podcast is Produced by Jonah Primo
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Christianity vs Islam: Which Offers the Best Path to Salvation?
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07/17/23 • 62 min
Christianity and Islam are the two biggest religions on the globe, accounting for just over half the world’s population combined. Most of us know about the religion we belong to and too often learn about other religions from the actions of extreme fundamentalists, mediated by the news, and by politics.
In this episode we go back to basics, to find out what Christianity and Islam actually believe. What are the essential building blocks of their theology? What do you need to believe as true? What is god, what is a soul, and what happens after death? And what exactly is the promise of the religion, whether it’s salvation or eternal life, and how do you achieve it?
The stakes are incredibly high when it comes to theology. Countless wars have been fought in the name of christianity and islam, both between these religions and between different sects within them. And whilst there are considerable overlaps which we will explore in this episode, there are also irreconcilable differences, differences not in mere preferences and values, but in the claim to the absolute truth of the nature of the universe, our place in it, the laws of how to live, our path to salvation and our purpose in life.
Guests
Professor Robyn Horner
Professor Robyn Horner is a teaching and research academic within the School of Theology, and a member of the Institute for Religion and Critical Inquiry (IRCI) at Australian Catholic University. From 2010-2015, she held the position of Associate Dean (Learning and Teaching) of the Faculty of Theology and Philosophy.
Formerly a teacher in Catholic primary and secondary schools, Robyn is a liturgical musician and composer,
Professor Mohamad Abdalla
Professor Abdalla has worked in the field of Islamic Studies for over 25 years and played a leading role in establishing Islamic Studies across Australian universities. He is currently the Founding Director, the Centre for Islamic Thought and Education (CITE). In 2020 he was appointed a Member of the Order of Australia (AM) for his outstanding service to education in the sphere of Islamic Studies. He established and led the Griffith University Islamic Research Unit (GIRU), at Griffith University in Brisbane (2006-2008); the National Centre of Excellence for Islamic Studies (NCEIS), a dynamic collaboration between the University of Melbourne, Griffith University and the University of Western Sydney (2008-2016).
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Your hosts are Lloyd Vogelman and Emile Sherman.
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This Podcast is Produced by Jonah Primo and Bronwen Reid
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Is Complementary (Alternative) Medicine Helpful?
Principle of Charity
11/28/22 • 53 min
What do we do when we don’t feel well and mainstream western medicine can’t seem to help us. Maybe it’s an irritable bowel, headaches that come too frequently, chronic fatigue or joint pain that just won’t go away. Maybe it’s more serious - a life-threatening diagnosis of cancer, or a neurological condition like parkinsons, and we are told by doctors that there’s no cure or they have limited treatment options. In all these cases, how should we assess complementary medicine? The alternative medicine market is a massive and growing industry increasingly framing health as ‘wellness’ which aims to help us live a life of flourishing rather than just an absence of illness. Is there a point, though, when the therapies shift from helpful to hoax?
In this episode with our guests Dr Norman Swan and Dr Penny Caldicott we explore what’s reasonable to do if we feel sick, but our doctor doesn’t seem to be able to help.
Dr Norman Swan
Norman is a multi-award winning broadcaster, journalist and commentator. He is the host and creator of the Health Report, on ABC Radio National, which is the longest running health programme in the English-speaking world.
Norman consulted for the World Health Organisation on global priorities in health research, putting evidence into health policy and clinical trial registration. He co-facilitated, with Richard Horton (editor in chief of The Lancet) a global ministerial forum in Bamako, West Africa which aimed to advance the global health agenda.
In his latest book “So You Want To Live Longer, Younger” Norman scrutinises the science and the fads to offer up a guide to living a longer, healthier life.
Dr Penny Caldicott
Penny is president of the Australasian Integrative Medicine Association.
She’s also the founder and director of Invitation to Health, a holistic, patient-centred medical service on the New South Wales Central Coast.
Since graduating from medical school more than two decades ago, Penny’s passion for understanding the journey that contributes to a patient's disease has led her to practice what’s called integrative medicine. In this practice, complementary therapists like naturopaths and nutritionists work together with gp’s in an environment designed to apply the best of evidence-based conventional medicine and complementary therapies..
Penny believes that this kind of collaborative approach to the prevention of disease can play a significant role in turning back chronic disease in Australia. She’s a strong advocate within the medical establishment and to governments for a pre-emptive model of health care, one that aspires to both prevent chronic disease and to accompany patients back towards well being.
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This Podcast is Produced by Jonah Primo and Bronwen Reid
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Is It Moral To Eat Meat?
Principle of Charity
06/14/21 • 65 min
Fat Pig Farm owner and author Matthew Evans and vegan animal advocate Ondine Sherman of Voiceless join us to discuss whether it’s moral to eat meat.
How are we to make sense of the incredibly complex topic of meat. First of all, is it right to take a sentient life?
What about our evolution, our nature, our culture, and our taste-buds, all powerful forces that drive most of us to eat meat?
Each year over 70 billion land animals and a trillion sea animals are killed for food. The vast majority of land animals live in factory farms.
Have we, as a society, sanctioned the way these animals are raised for our consumption? Do we even know what goes on behind those walls?
We look at all of this, plus questions like: Can we live healthy lives without meat? How does the raising of animals impact the environment and climate change? What about the huge numbers of animals that are killed growing crops?
And what about free range; can we feed the world’s growing billions that way, at an affordable price?
At the core of all of this, however, are the animals, whose experiences we are only starting to understand. We hold their lives in our hands. Have we fully reckoned with that responsibility?
Our guests are Matthew Evans and Ondine Sherman. Matthew is a television presenter and author of the ethical meat eating manifesto “On Eating Meat”. Matthew runs Fat Pig Farm in Tasmania, and sees eating animals, reared humanely, as a key part of our diet. Ondine is managing director of Voiceless, the animal protection institute. Her latest book “Vegan Living” is out now.
Your hosts are Lloyd Vogelman and Emile Sherman,
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Is it OK for Storytellers to Appropriate Stories and Characters from Other Cultures?
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04/11/22 • 60 min
Up until not that long ago, storytellers were encouraged to flex their creative muscles, to look outside themselves, and armed with their imagination as well as a lot of research, to bring to life characters, stories and worlds that they didn’t inhabit themselves, often worlds vastly different to the culture they’ve grown up in.
But relatively recently, storytellers have received a huge challenge from the progressive left, a challenge that has now permeated the creative arts. It suggests that entering other cultures, particularly marginalised ones, and telling stories of their people, drawing from the well of their cultural reservoir, is akin to an act of theft.
The critique goes further than theft though. It includes other challenges: if you’re from a dominant culture, and you’re telling stories of people that your culture has historically colonised or oppressed, then you are effectively compounding the oppression, as you are once again taking their voices and imposing your narrative on theirs.
There’s a question of authenticity as well: because you, the writer, are not from their culture, do not have their lived experience, then you can never truly represent them except in an inauthentic and often demeaning way. No matter how much research you do, you’ll at best create a pale imitation of an authentically voiced story, and at worst you’ll create two dimensional, dangerously cliched, even racist caricatures.
This is highly complex ground, with issues of creativity, aesthetic merit, theft, caricatures, of power and colonisation, all competing to control the narrative of who has the right to tell stories.
Our two guests, Daniel Browning and James O Young, share a great sensitivity to culture, to forms of oppression, and to the power of storytelling. But they’ve come to very different views on cultural appropriation in storytelling.
Daniel Browning is an Aboriginal Australian journalist, radio broadcaster, sound artist and writer. He presents The Art Show on Radio National and is the ABC’s Editor of Indigenous Radio. A visual arts graduate, Daniel is also a widely published freelance writer on the arts and culture. Daniel is a descendant of the Bundjalung and Kullilli peoples of far northern New South Wales and south-western Queensland.
James O. Young is Professor of Philosophy at the University of Victoria in Canada. He specialises in philosophical issues related to the arts and has written several books including Cultural Appropriation of the Arts (2008). He was elected to the Royal Society of Canada in 2015.
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This Podcast is Produced by Jonah Primo and Bronwen Reid
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Should We Aim To Be Thin?
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11/06/23 • 59 min
We live in a culture that is obsessed by weight. About a third of adult women in the US are on a diet at any given time, and a fifth of men. Those who aren’t dieting are thinking about dieting, with well over half of all adults actively wanting to lose weight, with men only slightly trailing women.
To feed the obsession on weight, or to help people manage their weight, depending on the way one looks at things, there is a global weight loss and management industry that is expected to surpass US$405 billion by 2030.
So what is going on here? Why is there a near pervasive belief that it’s good to be thin and bad to be fat.
In this episode we explore some of the reasons why fat has come to signify so much, looking at issues like health, shame, self-discipline, beauty and more.
Guests
Tigress Osborn (she/her) is a fat rights advocate and Executive Director of the National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance (NAAFA), the world’s oldest documented organization working towards Equality at Every Size. She is a co-founding leader of the Campaign for Size Freedom, which supports passing legislation to outlaw size discrimination. Tigress is a two-time women's college graduate with degrees in Africana Studies (Smith) and English (Mills). She is an intersectional feminist teacher and writer whose professional background as a youth empowerment leader and DEI educator has informed her fat liberation activism since 2008. She has been featured in USA Today, Newsweek, and the cover of the Smith College Alumnae Quarterly; heard on BBC AntiSocial, Burnt Toast, and NPR; and seen on ABC News, NewsNation and Free Speech TV’s Feminism Today.
Helen Pluckrose is a liberal humanist and political and cultural writer and commentator. Her writing has focused on the evolution of postmodern thought into contemporary Critical Social Justice activism which she regards as counterproductive to the goal of genuine social justice. Helen is best known for participation in the Grievance Studies Affair, co-authoring Cynical Theories and the foundation of the organisation Counterweight to support workers at risk of cancellation for not supporting Critical Social Justice theories. She mostly just wants people to value evidence-based knowledge and consistently liberal ethics.
Your hosts are Lloyd Vogelman and Emile Sherman.
This podcast is proud to partner with The Ethics Centre.
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This Podcast is Produced by Jonah Primo, Bronwen Reid and Danielle Harvey
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Should Business Focus on Social Impact, or Just Stick With Profit?
Principle of Charity
08/09/21 • 65 min
Everyone is talking about “social impact”, or “purpose”, as a way for business to deliver greater good to society. But does having a social purpose actually help society any more than a business just focused on making goods that people want to buy, for profit?
Is social impact hollow virtue signaling, a marketing tool to make customers feel warm and fuzzy? Or does it in fact signal a profound shift in our attitude to capitalism, where the common good is finally put first, where it belongs?
With a global impact investment market at $715 billion worldwide, ESG (Environmental, Social and Corporate Governance) assets under management of $38 trillion, and businesses everywhere writing their impact manifestos, the stakes are high.
Andy Kuper is the CEO of LeapFrog Investments, and a founding father of “profit with purpose” movement. He joins Judith Sloan, Contributing Economics Editor with The Australian newspaper, and a strong advocate for the simplicity of profit, as we deep dive into this fascinating topic.
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Your hosts are Lloyd Vogelman and Emile Sherman.
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This Podcast is Produced by Jonah Primo
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How many episodes does Principle of Charity have?
Principle of Charity currently has 75 episodes available.
What topics does Principle of Charity cover?
The podcast is about Society & Culture, Vegan, Charity, Society, Truth, Controversial, Podcasts, Science, Philosophy and Arts.
What is the most popular episode on Principle of Charity?
The episode title 'Nature VS Nurture Pt 1: Can We Mould Our Kids With Geneticist Robert Plomin' is the most popular.
What is the average episode length on Principle of Charity?
The average episode length on Principle of Charity is 46 minutes.
How often are episodes of Principle of Charity released?
Episodes of Principle of Charity are typically released every 13 days, 23 hours.
When was the first episode of Principle of Charity?
The first episode of Principle of Charity was released on Jun 9, 2021.
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