Why Good Leaders Matter More Than Ever: The Real Cost of 'Unbossing'
03/04/25 • 44 min
What if leadership as we know it is undergoing a radical transformation?
In this episode, host David Rice is joined by Jordana Cole—Founder and Principal Consultant at Ignited—to talk about the changing hats leaders have to wear, declining interest in leadership positions, and why the idea of "unbossing" might just be a terrible idea.
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What if leadership as we know it is undergoing a radical transformation?
In this episode, host David Rice is joined by Jordana Cole—Founder and Principal Consultant at Ignited—to talk about the changing hats leaders have to wear, declining interest in leadership positions, and why the idea of "unbossing" might just be a terrible idea.
Related Links:
- Join the People Managing People community forum
- Subscribe to the newsletter to get our latest articles and podcasts
- Connect with Jordana on LinkedIn
- Check out Ignited
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People Managing People - Why Good Leaders Matter More Than Ever: The Real Cost of 'Unbossing'
Transcript
At the end of the day, the research shows over and over again, that one of the biggest predictors of employee engagement is that my manager or somebody else at work cares about me, that people are much more likely to leave bosses than they are to leave organizations. And if we are building systems where we're unbossing and we're removing layers, you're having a one to one with a manager every three months. Do you feel cared for? Is that a plac
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