
Our True Colors
Dr. Shawna Gann
Our True Colors is a podcast that explores the challenges of being racially ambiguous and focuses on identity and belonging. What’s it like when you fit everywhere yet belong nowhere all at the same time? If you or someone you care about might be considered a racial riddle, an ethnic enigma, or a cultural conundrum, this show is for you! Conversations are facilitated by your host, Dr. Shawna Gann, along with guest co-hosts who join each season.
Our True Colors is an extension of True Culture Coaching and Consulting, a firm dedicated to enhancing workplace culture through the principles of business psychology and diversity, equity, and inclusion. For more information and to schedule a complimentary consultation with Dr. Gann, visit www.truecultureconsulting.com.
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07/05/22 • 35 min
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I am so happy to welcome back Season 3 Cohost, Carmen Watson, to talk with me about the news of the US Supreme Court overturning Roe v. Wade. I wanted to know her thoughts and perspectives as a Canadian and understand what conversations are happening among our neighbors to the north. Join us for this special episode as we discuss this incredibly impactful Supreme Court decision.
Resources to Check Out
- Woman Whose Conception Sparked Roe v. Wade Case Breaks Silence: 'I'm Keeping a Secret but I Hate It'
- If Clarence Thomas were consistent, he'd oppose Loving v. Virginia
- Interracial Marriage Under Attack: Thinking the Unthinkable
- Clarence Thomas Signals Same-Sex Marriage and Contraception Rights at Risk After Overturning Roe v. Wade
- What access to abortion looks like across Canada
- Trudeau calls U.S. Roe v. Wade reversal of abortion rights 'horrific'
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If this is your first time with OTC, check out EPISODE 1: START HERE for more background on the show.
Our True Colors is sponsored by True Culture Coaching & Consulting. Head to our website to find out how True Culture Coaching and Consulting can support you and your organization, and subscribe to our LinkedIn Newsletter, The Culture Clinic, for more great content. You can find us at truecultureconsulting.com where you can also contact us to schedule a free consultation.

Sticks and Stones Reboot: Stop the Violence!
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03/18/21 • 58 min
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In light of the continued violence against Asian communities around the US and, indeed, around the world; and in an effort to bring renewed awareness, I am bringing back an episode from earlier this year.
Daniel Quan-Watson, a high-ranking official in Canada's Public Service, has a unique blend of experiences. He's held the highest Canadian civil service position, is fluent in both English and French, has lived in 13 Canadian locations, traveled extensively across the country, authored long-lasting legislation, overseen a prominent National Parks system, and contributed to shaping Canada's responses to critical issues. Notably, he's the first Deputy Minister of Chinese-Canadian heritage in the federal government, akin to a US Undersecretary.
Mr. Quan-Watson, a diverse heritage, discusses his response to Rex Murphy's article on racism in Canada as our guest. See the links for more details.
REX MURPHY: Canada is not a racist country, despite what the Liberals say
DANIEL QUAN-WATSON: An Answer to Rex Murphy's Questions on Racism in Canada
Other enlightening reads:
- Self-Care Tips For Asian Americans Dealing With Racism Amid Coronavirus
- How to support Asian American colleagues amid the recent wave of anti-Asian violence
- What Racial Terms You Should Avoid
- Understanding the Stressors and Types of Discrimination That Can Affect Multiracial Individuals
- Biracial couple shares experience, advice on having conversations about race with children
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If this is your first time with OTC, check out EPISODE 1: START HERE for more background on the show.
Our True Colors is sponsored by True Culture Coaching & Consulting. Head to our website to find out how True Culture Coaching and Consulting can support you and your organization, and subscribe to our LinkedIn Newsletter, The Culture Clinic, for more great content. You can find us at truecultureconsulting.com where you can also contact us to schedule a free consultation.

Multiracial Motherhood with Rach Kass
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11/02/22 • 39 min
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Rach Kass is a Nursing Station Technician (NST), life coach, and podcast host and joins us for this episode to talk about her experiences as the White mother of her five biracial children. Also joining us as a guest host, while Yolandie takes some time with her new little one, is Sarah Bacerra - a two-time former guest on OTC. Rachel and her husband, Chris, also host and produce Infusion Health Podcast.
In this episode, she talks with us about being a White mom to biracial children and what that means for their family.
***Warning***
This episode includes sensitive discussions of topics, such as suicide, abuse, violence, and overt racism, that may be difficult for some listeners.
Sarah Bacerra Episodes:
References and Resources:
- History made: Bruce’s Beach has been returned to descendants of Black family
- White Kids: Growing Up with Privilege in a Racially Divided America
- How The Adultification Bias Contributes To Black Trauma
- Impression Management and Self Presentation (Goffman)
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Don't forget to subscribe and follow us on Instagram and new for Season 5, check us out on and YouTube and keep up with True Culture on LinkedIn.
If this is your first time with OTC, check out EPISODE 1: START HERE for more background on the show.
Our True Colors is sponsored by True Culture Coaching & Consulting. Head to our website to find out how True Culture Coaching and Consulting can support you and your organization, and subscribe to our LinkedIn Newsletter, The Culture Clinic, for more great content. You can find us at truecultureconsulting.com where you can also contact us to schedule a free consultation.

11/30/22 • 33 min
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Prepare to be inspired! On this episode of OTC, I am talking with Dija Henry. Together we discuss her work in film and how the work supports the empowerment of authenticity all the way from the people contributing to the film to those viewing it. We go on to discuss the nuances of having a multicultural family and the connections that younger generations are making cross-culturally – a notion that is good for all of us to practice, including one's sense of belonging, particularly when you are racially ambiguous. We also talked about art being central to our lives, and there's a little bit of 80's and 90's nostalgia sprinkled in, too!
Dija is a multi-award winning actress, filmmaker and CEO and founder of Blue House Entertainment, which is a social impact entertainment company dedicated to telling diverse stories that facilitate heart changing conversation to elevate our culture to a more equitable, inclusive and empathetic society. She also works to coach individuals who are working on their first film. In her free time, Dija likes to read, travel, watch movies with her family and have meaningful conversations with others. She's very grateful she has been able to take her family to two of their three countries of origin. India is next on the list!
References and Resources
- Belonging: A Culture of Place
- Dija on Instagram
- Check out The Blue House on Instagram, too!
Want to be a guest or know someone who should join us? Click this link to complete the guest interest form.
Don't forget to subscribe and follow us on Instagram and new for Season 5, check us out on and YouTube and keep up with True Culture on LinkedIn.
If this is your first time with OTC, check out EPISODE 1: START HERE for more background on the show.
Our True Colors is sponsored by True Culture Coaching & Consulting. Head to our website to find out how True Culture Coaching and Consulting can support you and your organization, and subscribe to our LinkedIn Newsletter, The Culture Clinic, for more great content. You can find us at truecultureconsulting.com where you can also contact us to schedule a free consultation.

Settings and Social Identity with Guest Ashnie Butler
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09/04/22 • 46 min
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After a bit of a summer break, Yolandie and I are back with our guest Ashnie Butler. Ashnie's story starts on the island of Trinidad with roots going back to Southern India. She has lived on the east and west coast of the United States, currently residing in Portland, Oregon, with her non-binary teenager. Her passion for cooking took her to culinary school and started her journey of learning about cultures and people through their food. Once Ashnie completed her B.A. in American Multicultural Studies, she began seeking to affect change through economic justice. Her training in Theater of the Oppressed, Courage Conversations, Mindfulness and Coaching allows her to hold various racial and cultural identities with awareness, skill and presence, pointing individuals, groups and folks with organizations to their own best selves.
In this episode, Ashnie shares her experiences of exploring and coming to understand her identity as it manifest in different settings outside of and inside of the United States. Her story leads to a compelling conversation of self-realization and social identity.
Related to the convo:
"Double Consciousness and the Veil" by W.E.B. Du Bois: Summary and Analysis
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Don't forget to subscribe and follow us on Instagram and new for Season 5, check us out on and YouTube and keep up with True Culture on LinkedIn.
If this is your first time with OTC, check out EPISODE 1: START HERE for more background on the show.
Our True Colors is sponsored by True Culture Coaching & Consulting. Head to our website to find out how True Culture Coaching and Consulting can support you and your organization, and subscribe to our LinkedIn Newsletter, The Culture Clinic, for more great content. You can find us at truecultureconsulting.com where you can also contact us to schedule a free consultation.

07/05/22 • 42 min
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In this intriguing episode of Our True Colors, Sandra Hunter joins us to talk about her work with Wild Women Leaders of Colour and shares her own experiences of identity and "herstory". Together we talk about leaning on each other...and our ancestors...for support as we as women of color navigate space historically dominated by white men.
Resources related to the convo:
- How a Lack of Sponsorship Keeps Black Women Out of the C-Suite
- Sista, Sista: How A Mentor Can Be The Key To Advancing Your Career
- Battling the stereotypes: why black women need mentors not ‘angry’ labels
- A Road Map for Advancing Women in Tech
- Former IKEA boss reveals the trick to going through a store in 5 minutes
- ‘My Parents Decided To Outwit Everyone By Giving Their Daughter A White Man’s Name’
- Job Applicants With ‘Black Names’ Still Less Likely to Get Interviews
- The hidden tax on being different (HBR)
- There is a tax on being different (Financial Times)
- Harvard Study Says Minority Job Candidates Are 'Whitening' Their Resumes When Looking for Jobs
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Don't forget to subscribe and follow us on Instagram and new for Season 5, check us out on and YouTube and keep up with True Culture on LinkedIn.
If this is your first time with OTC, check out EPISODE 1: START HERE for more background on the show.
Our True Colors is sponsored by True Culture Coaching & Consulting. Head to our website to find out how True Culture Coaching and Consulting can support you and your organization, and subscribe to our LinkedIn Newsletter, The Culture Clinic, for more great content. You can find us at truecultureconsulting.com where you can also contact us to schedule a free consultation.

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08/01/24 • 33 min
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Welcome to the community!
This introductory episode introduces listeners to the premise of Our True Colors. In this opening episode, I discuss terms and concepts surrounding issues of race. The links below are here for your reference and to learn more.
Want to be a guest? Click this link to send me your thoughts on how you could add to the convo as a guest on the show!
I encourage you to reach out to me and share your thoughts! What topics would you like to discuss? Do you have some feedback? Would you like to respond to an episode? Reach out with a direct text.
Link further exploration:
- Race as a Social Construct
- Human Genome Project
- Race, Ethnicity, and Culture with Jelly Beans
- Eugenics and Scientific Racism
- Biden Administration's Proposal for Updated Census Data Collection
- Honorary Whiteness - Eduardo Bonilla-Silva
- Colonialism
- Culture
- Being a Third Culture Kid
- Intersectionality
- Blumenbach and "Caucasian"
- More on Blumenbach and the term "Caucasian"
- The Construction of Race and Racism
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If this is your first time with OTC, check out EPISODE 1: START HERE for more background on the show.
Our True Colors is sponsored by True Culture Coaching & Consulting. Head to our website to find out how True Culture Coaching and Consulting can support you and your organization, and subscribe to our LinkedIn Newsletter, The Culture Clinic, for more great content. You can find us at truecultureconsulting.com where you can also contact us to schedule a free consultation.

Identity Beyond Chapter Titles with Katrina Strohl
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05/19/22 • 33 min
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Katrina Strohl (they/them) served as an Aviation Structural Mechanic in the US Navy. In 2018, Katrina decided to take their own life after internalizing the behavior of an unsafe workplace. They now serve others through their work in psychological safety, mental health and boundary strategy for people who share their identities or their lived experiences.
This work includes Absolutely Not!, the weekly live podcast dedicated to providing examples of setting personal boundaries at work and the vocabulary needed to name harm in those spaces. Katrina is Black, Sāmoan and Queer and lives with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD), Major Depressive Disorder (MDD), Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD) and a Substance Use Disorder.
Heads up: This episode contains strong language.
In this episode, Katrina talks with Yolandie and me about the ambiguity...of racial ambiguity (did you catch that?). We also discuss how we can watch out for the characters of white supremacy culture - no matter how you racially identify. We also talk about how the media can influence how we see ourselves and how others see us.
Here are some other resources to check about topics mentioned in this episode:
- The term "Latinx" is used by just 3% ofUS Hispanics
- POC, WOC, BIPOC and other terms labeling people of color
- The Costs of Code-Switching
Want to be a guest or know someone who should join us? Click this link to complete the guest interest form.
Don't forget to subscribe and follow us on Instagram and new for Season 5, check us out on and YouTube and keep up with True Culture on LinkedIn.
If this is your first time with OTC, check out EPISODE 1: START HERE for more background on the show.
Our True Colors is sponsored by True Culture Coaching & Consulting. Head to our website to find out how True Culture Coaching and Consulting can support you and your organization, and subscribe to our LinkedIn Newsletter, The Culture Clinic, for more great content. You can find us at truecultureconsulting.com where you can also contact us to schedule a free consultation.

Island Identity: An Interview with Dr. Chanel Meyers
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04/06/20 • 40 min
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I had the distinct pleasure of chatting with Dr. Chanel Meyers, who at the time of this recording, was currently a Postdoctoral Scholar at York University. In this episode, she shares her fascinating story of her personal journey of multiracial identity as it applied in the various settings where she has lived and how it influenced her professional life, as well. Is she white? Asian? Both? Check out this episode to learn more!
Referenced in this Episode:
- White Man's Burden (1995 Film)
- "Haole"
- Who Get's to be "Hapa"? (NPR)
- The Hapa Project
- Why Longtime Alaska Residents Are Called ‘Sourdoughs’
- When does a newcomer become a ‘real Alaskan’? History shows it depends who you’re asking.
Want to be a guest or know someone who should join us? Click this link to complete the guest interest form.
Don't forget to subscribe and follow us on Instagram and new for Season 5, check us out on and YouTube and keep up with True Culture on LinkedIn.
If this is your first time with OTC, check out EPISODE 1: START HERE for more background on the show.
Our True Colors is sponsored by True Culture Coaching & Consulting. Head to our website to find out how True Culture Coaching and Consulting can support you and your organization, and subscribe to our LinkedIn Newsletter, The Culture Clinic, for more great content. You can find us at truecultureconsulting.com where you can also contact us to schedule a free consultation.

Breaking Out of the Box: Multiracial Identity, Monoracism, and Belonging with Dr. Victoria K. Malaney-Brown
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01/28/25 • 45 min
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In this thought-provoking episode, Dr. Victoria K. Malaney-Brown, a scholar-practitioner at Columbia University and the first-ever Director of Academic Integrity for undergraduates at Columbia College and Columbia Engineering, joins us to explore the nuanced realities of multiracial identity. From her deeply personal poem "Outside of the Box" to her groundbreaking research on multiracial college students, Dr. Malaney-Brown sheds light on the complexities of navigating identity, privilege, and belonging. We dive into monoracism, critical consciousness, and the importance of creating spaces where mixed-race individuals feel seen and heard. Whether you're mixed-race, a parent, an ally, or someone looking to expand their understanding, this conversation offers valuable insights and inspiration.
You can find Dr. Malaney-Brown on LinkedIn and on Instagram.
Here's some more stuff to check out:
- Multiracial Experiences in Higher Education: Contesting Knowledge, Honoring Voice, and Innovating Practice
- Preparing for Higher Education’s Mixed Race Future: Why Multiraciality Matters
- Racial Identity and Census Categories
- What is Critical Consciousness?
- American College Personnel Association
- Critical Mixed Race Studies Association (Learn about the membership here!)
- Multiracial and Transracial Adoptee Network (MTAN)
- National Conference on Race and Ethnicity
Want to be a guest or know someone who should join us? Click this link to complete the guest interest form.
Don't forget to subscribe and follow us on Instagram and new for Season 5, check us out on and YouTube and keep up with True Culture on LinkedIn.
If this is your first time with OTC, check out EPISODE 1: START HERE for more background on the show.
Our True Colors is sponsored by True Culture Coaching & Consulting. Head to our website to find out how True Culture Coaching and Consulting can support you and your organization, and subscribe to our LinkedIn Newsletter, The Culture Clinic, for more great content. You can find us at truecultureconsulting.com where you can also contact us to schedule a free consultation.
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FAQ
How many episodes does Our True Colors have?
Our True Colors currently has 98 episodes available.
What topics does Our True Colors cover?
The podcast is about Identity, Culture, Society & Culture, Equity, Inclusion, Dei, Podcasts, Education, Diversity and Race.
What is the most popular episode on Our True Colors?
The episode title 'Removing Your Mask to Tell Your Story: Authentic Filmmaking with Dija Henry' is the most popular.
What is the average episode length on Our True Colors?
The average episode length on Our True Colors is 41 minutes.
How often are episodes of Our True Colors released?
Episodes of Our True Colors are typically released every 8 days.
When was the first episode of Our True Colors?
The first episode of Our True Colors was released on Nov 9, 2019.
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