
How to Make More Money, Happier Clients, and Go from Surviving to Thriving as a Freelancer with Jonathan Stark
12/07/20 • 58 min
Jonathan Stark is a former software developer who is on a mission to rid the world of hourly billing. He is the author of Hourly Billing Is Nuts, the host of Ditching Hourly, and he writes a daily newsletter on pricing for independent professionals.
In this episode we discuss:
- How Jonathan Stark went from working a typical job to becoming coach for independent software developers
- Why is hourly billing so bad?
- The problem with growing your business by hiring more people
- What are the alternatives to billing by the hour?
- How else can you price project based work?
- What is value based pricing?
- How you should create and structure your proposals to maximize your income AND the client's happiness
- How to deal with (inevitable) scope creep on a fixed price project
- Avoiding adversarial client relationships by aligning your incentives with your clients
- How many options should you offer in a proposal and why?
- How can you figure out how valuable the work is to the client
- The importance of uncovering an actual business outcome
- The exact questions to ask a prospective client before giving a price or writing a proposal
- How to get a prospective client to sell themselves on working with you
- The important question that most people are too afraid (or too shy) to ask
- You have more options than you realize!
Links:
- Jonathan's free Value Pricing Bootcamp (start here)
- Lots more free resources on Jonathan's website
- Alan Weiss who helped inspire the "Why conversation"
Jonathan Stark is a former software developer who is on a mission to rid the world of hourly billing. He is the author of Hourly Billing Is Nuts, the host of Ditching Hourly, and he writes a daily newsletter on pricing for independent professionals.
In this episode we discuss:
- How Jonathan Stark went from working a typical job to becoming coach for independent software developers
- Why is hourly billing so bad?
- The problem with growing your business by hiring more people
- What are the alternatives to billing by the hour?
- How else can you price project based work?
- What is value based pricing?
- How you should create and structure your proposals to maximize your income AND the client's happiness
- How to deal with (inevitable) scope creep on a fixed price project
- Avoiding adversarial client relationships by aligning your incentives with your clients
- How many options should you offer in a proposal and why?
- How can you figure out how valuable the work is to the client
- The importance of uncovering an actual business outcome
- The exact questions to ask a prospective client before giving a price or writing a proposal
- How to get a prospective client to sell themselves on working with you
- The important question that most people are too afraid (or too shy) to ask
- You have more options than you realize!
Links:
- Jonathan's free Value Pricing Bootcamp (start here)
- Lots more free resources on Jonathan's website
- Alan Weiss who helped inspire the "Why conversation"
Previous Episode

Francis Tapon is Hiking his own Hike Around the World
In this episode we discuss:
- How Francis manages to hike through snow without a warm jacket (or underwear)
- Practicing discomfort and gratitude
- The two traits Francis learned from spending five and a half years in Africa and traveling to all 54 African countries
- Falling in love and getting married in Africa
- The benefits of growing up with exposure to multiple cultures
- Collecting "cultural souvenirs" as we travel
- Why the idea of "cultural appropriation" makes no sense
- How the weather changes culture from Africa to Europe to SE Asia
- What Eastern Europeans Can Teach Us
- The role of history in American, European, and African cultures
- How the Moors shaped modern Spain
- Slowing down in Spain and reevaluating what's important in life
- Francis provocative writing style and why it's so hard to write a book about Africa
- Reverse culture shock on returning to America after a long time away
- The East Coast mentality and "default question"
- What the rest of the world thinks about Americans that we don't realize
- The three areas where America is hands down the greatest country in the world
- Where Francis plans to go next and making the most of life before we move on
- What it means to "Hike your own hike"
Links:
- Francis' Website (https://francistapon.com/)
- Francis' First Book Hike Your Own Hike: 7 Life Lessons from Backpacking Across America (https://francistapon.com/Books/Hike-Your-Own-Hike/)
- Francis' Second Book The Hidden Europe: What Eastern Europeans Can Teach Us (https://francistapon.com/Books/The-Hidden-Europe/)
- Francis' Patreon Account (https://www.patreon.com/ftapon) - Get access to "The Unseen Africa" book as Francis writes it
- Francis' TEDx Talk "How and why travel transforms you" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2Bd8pNYH8A)
- Francis' TEDx Talk "Bring Out Your Inner Black Sheep" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVfADBIsgB8)
- Francis' TEDx Talk "7 surprising lessons from picking up 3,000 African Hitchhikers" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WxfRLByD60)
- The Jacks R Better sleeping bag that Francis uses and recommends: (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CfBrJX5zoU)
- Francis' gear list from hiking the Continental Divide Trail (https://francistapon.com/Travels/Continental-Divide-Trail/CDT-Gear-List)
- The Time Paradox book by Philip Zimbardo and John Boyd (https://www.amazon.com/Time-Paradox-Psychology-That-Change/dp/1416541993)
Next Episode

How to Have Your Best Year: Choosing Goals and Quality Questions with Justin Gary
In this episode we discuss:
- Reviewing 2020 and setting goals for 2021
- What do you do with goals you set for 2020 but couldn't accomplish?
- How Justin conducts past year reviews (and why it takes him a lot less time than it used to)
- "Aggressive but achievable" goals
- What it means and what to do if you have a goal that just doesn't get done
- Why you should beware of chasing "Laser pointer goals"
- How to make difficult things like going to the gym more fun.
- The lesson from reading Neil Strauss's interviews with hundreds of rock stars and other celebrities, and how it changes the goals you should set.
- “Before enlightenment; chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment; chop wood, carry water.” — Zen Kōan
- Unveiling your next goal or the next "layer of your karma"
- Combatting "shiny object syndrome"
- Justin's superpower "Rule of 3" for goal setting
- My "master goal" that makes all of my other goals possible
- How to build an audience.
- My goals for 2021 - Creating value for others and creating consistently
- How to use Leading indicators instead of Lagging indicators when setting goals
- Replacing SMART goals with a PACT
- Designing your ideal day
- How to actually get the benefit from self improvement books and lectures
- A Great Question Can Change Your Life - Get One in Your Inbox Every Day
- Quality Questions (https://qualityquestions.co/)
- Closing the year in gratitude
Links to People, Articles, and Books Mentioned in this Episode:
- Tim Ferriss - Forget New Year's Resolutions and Conduct a 'Past Year Review' Instead (https://tim.blog/2018/12/28/past-year-review/)
- Everyone Loves you When You're Dead (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007MAU4SO/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1)
- Chris Bailey (https://alifeofproductivity.com/)
- Billy Broas (https://www.billybroas.com/)
- James Clear's 3-2-1 Newsletter (https://jamesclear.com/3-2-1)
- SMART goals are not so smart: make a PACT instead by Anne-Laure Le Cunff, Ness Labs (https://nesslabs.com/smart-goals-pact)
- Quality Questions (https://qualityquestions.co/)
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