
Explaining Mission Creep in Afghanistan
08/08/19 • 46 min
Special guest Rick Berger joins Bryan and Chris for a discussion of the U.S. war in Afghanistan and the state of civil-military relations. The post-9/11 mission expanded from counterterrorism to nation-building, but this occurred, according to CSIS’s Mark Cancian, without a serious "discussion about the relationship between the desired end state and the military effort required to reach it." Bryan, Rick, and Chris disagree on whether that’s actually true — and whether it matters. Bryan gives kudos to National Review’s Kevin Williamson for making the case for independent thinking, Chris knocks CNN and the Democratic debaters for spending too little time on foreign policy, and Rick praises newly installed Secretary of Defense Mark Esper for his plan to beef up conventional deterrence in the Asia-Pacific.
Links
- Mark F. Cancian, "Tell Me How This Ends: Military Advice, Strategic Goals, and the "Forever War" in Afghanistan," CSIS, July 10, 2019
- Caroline Dorminey and Eric Gomez, "America's Nuclear Crossroads: A Forward-Looking Anthology," CATO Institute
- Thomas Gibbons-Neff and Julian E. Barnes, "S. Military Calls ISIS in Afghanistan a Threat to the West. Intelligence Officials Disagree," New York Times, August 2, 2019
- Felix Tam and Anne Marie Roantree, "Trump Says It's Up to China to Deal with Hong Kong Riots," Reuters, August 2, 2019
- "Interview with Kevin Williamson," C-Span, July 19, 2019
- Max Boot, "The Case for American Empire," The Weekly Standard, October 15, 2001
- Justin Logan and Christopher Preble, “Fatal Conceit,” National Review, August 12, 2010
- Fred Kaplan, “Five Minutes to Explain the World,” Slate, August 1, 2019
- Congressional Budget Office, "Funding for Overseas Contingency Operations and its Impact on Defense Spending," October 2018
- Rick Berger, "Why Withdrawing from Syria and Afghanistan Won’t Save Much Money," Defense One, February 26, 2019
Special guest Rick Berger joins Bryan and Chris for a discussion of the U.S. war in Afghanistan and the state of civil-military relations. The post-9/11 mission expanded from counterterrorism to nation-building, but this occurred, according to CSIS’s Mark Cancian, without a serious "discussion about the relationship between the desired end state and the military effort required to reach it." Bryan, Rick, and Chris disagree on whether that’s actually true — and whether it matters. Bryan gives kudos to National Review’s Kevin Williamson for making the case for independent thinking, Chris knocks CNN and the Democratic debaters for spending too little time on foreign policy, and Rick praises newly installed Secretary of Defense Mark Esper for his plan to beef up conventional deterrence in the Asia-Pacific.
Links
- Mark F. Cancian, "Tell Me How This Ends: Military Advice, Strategic Goals, and the "Forever War" in Afghanistan," CSIS, July 10, 2019
- Caroline Dorminey and Eric Gomez, "America's Nuclear Crossroads: A Forward-Looking Anthology," CATO Institute
- Thomas Gibbons-Neff and Julian E. Barnes, "S. Military Calls ISIS in Afghanistan a Threat to the West. Intelligence Officials Disagree," New York Times, August 2, 2019
- Felix Tam and Anne Marie Roantree, "Trump Says It's Up to China to Deal with Hong Kong Riots," Reuters, August 2, 2019
- "Interview with Kevin Williamson," C-Span, July 19, 2019
- Max Boot, "The Case for American Empire," The Weekly Standard, October 15, 2001
- Justin Logan and Christopher Preble, “Fatal Conceit,” National Review, August 12, 2010
- Fred Kaplan, “Five Minutes to Explain the World,” Slate, August 1, 2019
- Congressional Budget Office, "Funding for Overseas Contingency Operations and its Impact on Defense Spending," October 2018
- Rick Berger, "Why Withdrawing from Syria and Afghanistan Won’t Save Much Money," Defense One, February 26, 2019
Previous Episode

Bold Strokes from the Commandant of the Marine Corps
Join Melanie, Chris, and Bryan as they discuss the recently released Commandant's Planning Guidance, a document from the new Marine Corps Commandant General David Berger that has taken the seapower community by storm. In the guidance, Berger slays at least five USMC sacred cows and provides a framework for integration between the Navy and the Marine Corps within the Department of the Navy. Also, Chris has an issue with presidential tweeting and Bryan complains about the weather.
Links
- "Commandant of the Marine Corps Planning Guidance: 38th Commandant of the Marine Corps," Headquarters Marine Corps
- Taylor Dinerman, "Why Apollo 11 Matters," National Review, July 20, 2019
- Michelle Basch, "Apollo 11 Tribute Features Stunning Projections Onto Washington Monument," WTOP, July 20, 2019
- Elizabeth Janney, "Heat Advisory Issues for Maryland," Patch, June, 30, 2018
- Robin Emmott, "Britain Wins Early European Support for Hormuz Naval Mission," Reuters, July 23, 2019
- Chris Spargo, "Predatory Lender," Daily Mail, July 22, 2019
- Kevin D. Williamson, "Trump’s Omar Comments Erode Our Sense of Citizenship," Yahoo, July 21, 2019
- Joe Sestak, “We're to Blame for Escalating Tensions With Iran,” Des Moines Register, July 20, 2019
- Daniel Larison, “Sestak’s Sensible Warning against War with Iran,” American Conservative, July 22, 2019
- Donald Trump, Tweets, July 14, 2019
Next Episode

Does Trump’s Trade War Spell the End of the Global Order?
This week the gang talks about President Trump’s trade policies and why trade wars can be bad and hard to win. Do we have a strategy for success, or is the president simply venting frustration through erratic policies? What is the endgame? How do America's economic policies, especially with regard to China, affect U.S. national security? Other highlights: Chris condemns Trump’s attempt to buy Greenland, Melanie finds a CEO worthy of immense respect, and Bryan explains why real British royalty isn’t as appealing as the Netflix version.
Links
- Chad P. Bown and Douglas A. Irwin, "Trump's Assault on the Global Trading System: And Why Decoupling from China Will Change Everything," Foreign Affairs, September 2019
- Chad P. Bown and Melina Kolb, "Trump's Trade War Timeline: An Up-to-Date Guide," Peterson Institute for International Economics, August 13, 2019
- Madeleine Kearns, "Royals, Climate Change, and Private Jets," National Review, August 19, 2019
- Scott Lincicome, CATO Institute
- Simon Lester and Huan Zhu, "Closing Pandora's Box: The Growing Abuse of the National Security Rationale for Restricting Trade," CATO Institute, June 25, 2019
- "Clashing over Commerce: A History of U.S. Trade Policy," Cato Institute, January 24, 2018
- Pierre Lemieux, “Peter Navarro’s Conversion,” Regulation, Fall 2018
- John Harwood, “Americans Overwhelmingly Support Free Trade as Concern Grows About Trump’s Economy: NBC/WSJ Poll,” CNBC, August 19, 2019
- Scott Lincicome, "The ‘Protectionist Moment’ That Wasn’t: American Views on Trade and Globalization," Cato Institute, November 2, 2018
- "Former Danish PM Lied About Iraq War Plans," Local, July 3, 2015
- Tim Marcin, “Denmark to Trump: Seriously, Greenland Isn't for Sale,” Vice News, August 19, 2019
- Maggie Fitzgerald, “Here’s What New Tariffs Will Cost the Average American Household,” CNBC, August 19, 2019
- “Exploring the Militarization of US Foreign Policy,” American Political Science Association Annual Meeting, August 31, 2019
- “The Human Costs of War: Assessing Civilian Casualties since 9/11,” Cato Institute, September 11, 2019
If you like this episode you’ll love
Episode Comments
Generate a badge
Get a badge for your website that links back to this episode
<a href="https://goodpods.com/podcasts/net-assessment-61127/explaining-mission-creep-in-afghanistan-3211367"> <img src="https://storage.googleapis.com/goodpods-images-bucket/badges/generic-badge-1.svg" alt="listen to explaining mission creep in afghanistan on goodpods" style="width: 225px" /> </a>
Copy