
Ep17; A failed IVF Transfer, this was not the plan. Ft. Debbie Evans and Angela Pericleous-Smith
11/27/23 • 46 min
My Surrogacy Journey - The Podcast is the UK's leading multi award winning podcast from a non profit UK surrogacy organisation.
Michael and Wes are your regular hosts, but today - it's only Wes. Michael and Wes are parents themselves through surrogacy to two children (Talulah is 7 and Duke is 4) they continue to advocate, campaign and strive to improve the landscape of surrogacy in the UK and globally. Addressing safety, exploitation and educating those about the real truths about safer surrogacy.
So welcome back! We have a wonderful episode today and it's especially interesting for those who have to navigate a failed IVF transfer when exploring surrogacy. How do you deal with this, when this was something you just weren't expecting.
Our wonderful guest, Debbie Evans from from at Herts and Essex Fertility Centre and Angela Pericleous-Smith who is a Senior Infertility Counsellor, will help you understand all about PGT-A (formally PGS) and PGT-M, previously known as preimplantation genetic diagnosis (PGD)
Guest bios:
Angela Pericleous-Smith
Angela is Chair of the British Infertility Counselling Association (BICA), counsellor representative for British Fertility Society (BFS) and has specialised in fertility counselling within the NHS and private practice since 2004.
Angela has written and spoken about the emotional impact of infertility and has co-authored BICA Guidelines for Good Practice in Fertility Counselling 4th Ed. 2019 and Counselling in Surrogacy in UK Licensed Centres (2021). Her recent research and writing have focused on Covid-19’s impact on UK counselling provision and patients’ experiences, The emotional, physical and psychological impact of infertility in the workplace and Counselling challenges associated with donor conception and surrogacy.
Angela is driven to improve professional standards in fertility counselling; the psychological support, provision and accessibility of information and fair treatment for patients.
Debbie Evans
Debbie qualified as an RGN in 1985. She specialised for 20+ years on fertility management and has been with Herts & Essex Fertility Centres since 2007. As Director of Clincial Services, Debbie takes ownership of the day to day clincial management of the Centre with direct responsibility for 40+ members of staff. Her senior role has not changed her approach or work ethos; she is passionate about patient care as when she first joined the nursing profession.
Debbie was the previous Chair of SING (Senior Infertility Nurse Group) for four years, and organisation that strives to support nurses in the fertility industry by providing peer support, guidance and encouragement to its members.
Debbie has now retired from Herts & Essex Fertility Centre and joined us here at My Surrogacy Journey at the beginning of January as Clinical & Compliance Director.
Available wherever you get your podcasts. My Surrogacy Journey - The Podcast is a Talulah and The Duke Production and is recorded in London at Outset Studios
Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
My Surrogacy Journey - The Podcast is the UK's leading multi award winning podcast from a non profit UK surrogacy organisation.
Michael and Wes are your regular hosts, but today - it's only Wes. Michael and Wes are parents themselves through surrogacy to two children (Talulah is 7 and Duke is 4) they continue to advocate, campaign and strive to improve the landscape of surrogacy in the UK and globally. Addressing safety, exploitation and educating those about the real truths about safer surrogacy.
So welcome back! We have a wonderful episode today and it's especially interesting for those who have to navigate a failed IVF transfer when exploring surrogacy. How do you deal with this, when this was something you just weren't expecting.
Our wonderful guest, Debbie Evans from from at Herts and Essex Fertility Centre and Angela Pericleous-Smith who is a Senior Infertility Counsellor, will help you understand all about PGT-A (formally PGS) and PGT-M, previously known as preimplantation genetic diagnosis (PGD)
Guest bios:
Angela Pericleous-Smith
Angela is Chair of the British Infertility Counselling Association (BICA), counsellor representative for British Fertility Society (BFS) and has specialised in fertility counselling within the NHS and private practice since 2004.
Angela has written and spoken about the emotional impact of infertility and has co-authored BICA Guidelines for Good Practice in Fertility Counselling 4th Ed. 2019 and Counselling in Surrogacy in UK Licensed Centres (2021). Her recent research and writing have focused on Covid-19’s impact on UK counselling provision and patients’ experiences, The emotional, physical and psychological impact of infertility in the workplace and Counselling challenges associated with donor conception and surrogacy.
Angela is driven to improve professional standards in fertility counselling; the psychological support, provision and accessibility of information and fair treatment for patients.
Debbie Evans
Debbie qualified as an RGN in 1985. She specialised for 20+ years on fertility management and has been with Herts & Essex Fertility Centres since 2007. As Director of Clincial Services, Debbie takes ownership of the day to day clincial management of the Centre with direct responsibility for 40+ members of staff. Her senior role has not changed her approach or work ethos; she is passionate about patient care as when she first joined the nursing profession.
Debbie was the previous Chair of SING (Senior Infertility Nurse Group) for four years, and organisation that strives to support nurses in the fertility industry by providing peer support, guidance and encouragement to its members.
Debbie has now retired from Herts & Essex Fertility Centre and joined us here at My Surrogacy Journey at the beginning of January as Clinical & Compliance Director.
Available wherever you get your podcasts. My Surrogacy Journey - The Podcast is a Talulah and The Duke Production and is recorded in London at Outset Studios
Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Previous Episode

Coming up on Episode 17; We chat to Debbie Evans and Angela Pericleous-Smith. A failed IVF transfer - this was not the plan.
My Surrogacy Journey - The Podcast is the UK's leading multi award winning podcast from a non profit UK surrogacy organisation.
Michael and Wes are your regular hosts, but today - it's only Wes. Michael and Wes are parents themselves through surrogacy to two children (Talulah is 7 and Duke is 4) they continue to advocate, campaign and strive to improve the landscape of surrogacy in the UK and globally. Addressing safety, exploitation and educating those about the real truths about safer surrogacy.
So welcome back! We have a wonderful episode today and it's especially interesting for those who have to navigate a failed IVF transfer when exploring surrogacy. How do you deal with this, when this was something you just weren't expecting.
Our wonderful guest, Debbie Evans from from at Herts and Essex Fertility Centre and Angela Pericleous-Smith who is a Senior Infertility Counsellor, will help you understand all about PGT-A (formally PGS) and PGT-M, previously known as preimplantation genetic diagnosis (PGD)
Guest bios:
Angela Pericleous-Smith
Angela is Chair of the British Infertility Counselling Association (BICA), counsellor representative for British Fertility Society (BFS) and has specialised in fertility counselling within the NHS and private practice since 2004.
Angela has written and spoken about the emotional impact of infertility and has co-authored BICA Guidelines for Good Practice in Fertility Counselling 4th Ed. 2019 and Counselling in Surrogacy in UK Licensed Centres (2021). Her recent research and writing have focused on Covid-19’s impact on UK counselling provision and patients’ experiences, The emotional, physical and psychological impact of infertility in the workplace and Counselling challenges associated with donor conception and surrogacy.
Angela is driven to improve professional standards in fertility counselling; the psychological support, provision and accessibility of information and fair treatment for patients.
Debbie Evans
Debbie qualified as an RGN in 1985. She specialised for 20+ years on fertility management and has been with Herts & Essex Fertility Centres since 2007. As Director of Clincial Services, Debbie takes ownership of the day to day clincial management of the Centre with direct responsibility for 40+ members of staff. Her senior role has not changed her approach or work ethos; she is passionate about patient care as when she first joined the nursing profession.
Debbie was the previous Chair of SING (Senior Infertility Nurse Group) for four years, and organisation that strives to support nurses in the fertility industry by providing peer support, guidance and encouragement to its members.
Debbie has now retired from Herts & Essex Fertility Centre and joined us here at My Surrogacy Journey at the beginning of January as Clinical & Compliance Director.
Available wherever you get your podcasts. My Surrogacy Journey - The Podcast is a Talulah and The Duke Production and is recorded in London at Outset Studios
Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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