
Low vs High Culture, legacy vs new institutions, WWE, & Lex Fridman w/ Aarthi and Sriram
02/04/23 • 89 min
Our friends Aarthi Ramamurthy and Sriram Krishnan join us this week as special guests. If you’re looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen
We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.
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https://link.chtbl.com/hrheretics
TIMESTAMPS:
(00:00) Intro
(02:10) Sponsor (Secureframe)
(04:10) Has Aarthi always been more based than Sriram?
(07:40) Attribution
(11:10) Legitimacy
(15:30) Brokenism vs Institutionalism
(20:40) Attention as influence
(27:00) Should Twitter eliminate trending topics?
(29:30) Antonio’s cultural elitism
(33:00) Low vs High culture
(42:50) Who are the elites?
(52:10) WWE & Kayfabe
(01:02:45) Lex Fridman
(01:12:10) Andrew Huberman
(01:20:00) Bryan Johnson
(01:22:00) Lindy
(01:25:00) Against a la carte beliefs
Twitter:
@moz_podcast
@sriramk (Sriram)
@aarthir (Aarthi)
@Dwr (Dan)
@Antoniogm (Antonio)
@Eriktorenberg (Erik)
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-Secureframe (www.secureframe.com)
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Our friends Aarthi Ramamurthy and Sriram Krishnan join us this week as special guests. If you’re looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen
We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.
RECOMMENDED PODCAST:
The HR industry is at a crossroads. What will it take to construct the next generation of incredible businesses – and where can people leaders have the most business impact? Hosts Nolan Church and Kelli Dragovich have been through it all, the highs and the lows – IPOs, layoffs, executive turnover, board meetings, culture changes, and more. With a lineup of industry vets and experts, Nolan and Kelli break down the nitty-gritty details, trade offs, and dynamics of constructing high performing companies. Through unfiltered conversations that can only happen between seasoned practitioners, Kelli and Nolan dive deep into the kind of leadership-level strategy that often happens behind closed doors. Check out the first episode with the architect of Netflix’s culture deck Patty McCord.
https://link.chtbl.com/hrheretics
TIMESTAMPS:
(00:00) Intro
(02:10) Sponsor (Secureframe)
(04:10) Has Aarthi always been more based than Sriram?
(07:40) Attribution
(11:10) Legitimacy
(15:30) Brokenism vs Institutionalism
(20:40) Attention as influence
(27:00) Should Twitter eliminate trending topics?
(29:30) Antonio’s cultural elitism
(33:00) Low vs High culture
(42:50) Who are the elites?
(52:10) WWE & Kayfabe
(01:02:45) Lex Fridman
(01:12:10) Andrew Huberman
(01:20:00) Bryan Johnson
(01:22:00) Lindy
(01:25:00) Against a la carte beliefs
Twitter:
@moz_podcast
@sriramk (Sriram)
@aarthir (Aarthi)
@Dwr (Dan)
@Antoniogm (Antonio)
@Eriktorenberg (Erik)
SPONSORS: Beehiiv | Shopify | NetSuite | Secureframe
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-Shopify: https://shopify.com/momentofzen for a $1/month trial period
Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of all e-commerce in the US. And Shopify’s the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy’s, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries. From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you’re selling, Shopify’s got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/momentofzen
-NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen
NetSuite provides financial software for all your business needs. More than thirty-six thousand companies have already upgraded to NetSuite, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen and defer payments of a FULL NetSuite implementation for six months.
-Secureframe (www.secureframe.com)
Secureframe is the leading all-in-one platform for security and privacy compliance. Get SOC-2 audit ready in weeks, not months. I believe in Secureframe so much that I invested in it, and I recommend it to all my portfolio companies. Sign up for a free demo and mention MOMENT OF ZEN during your demo to get 20% off your first year.
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The AI moment, AI vs crypto: a heated debate with Amjad Masad, Flo Crivello, and Nathan Labenz
Amjad Masad (@Amasad), Flo Crivello (@Altimor) and Nathan Labenz (@Labenz) join us for a heated debate on the AI moment. If you’re looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen
We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.
TIMESTAMPS:
(00:00) Preview of the debate
(00:30) Sponsor
(01:00) Nathan introducing our new upcoming AI podcast, The Cognitive Revolution
(03:45) Flo’s take on the AI moment and AGI
(08:20) Amjad’s take on the AI moment
(15:00) Is chatGPT a step function change?
(23:45) AI’s effect on coding
(34:40) Amjad believes AI is underhyped
(35:00) Bounties
(53:15) What AI companies should VCs invest in?
(57:30) Antonio/Flo pre-debate
(01:00:15) “All knowledge work will be automated in 20 years”
(01:01:00) Antonio’s AI skepticism
(01:05:20) the inflection point is a jump in generality
(01:06:00) Who will capture value, incumbents or startups?
(01:14:30) Segue into AI and crypto
(01:20:00) Flo’s crypto skepticism
(01:23:40) Antonio and Flo HEATED DEBATE
(01:26:30) Dan tries to calm everybody down
(01:27:00) Dan’s crypto perspective
(01:29:30) Antonio’s crypto perspective
(01:31:50) Amjad’s Bitcoin maximalist view
(01:34:55) Amjad’s hilarious rant on crypto ponzis
(01:38:00) Dan and Amjad debate Bitcoin/Ethereum
(01:40:00) AI vs Web 3 brawl
(01:52:32) Amjad’s AI predictions
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Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of all e-commerce in the US. And Shopify’s the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy’s, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries. From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you’re selling, Shopify’s got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/momentofzen
-NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen
NetSuite provides financial software for all your business needs. More than thirty-six thousand companies have already upgraded to NetSuite, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen and defer payments of a FULL NetSuite implementation for six months.
-Secureframe (www.secureframe.com)
Secureframe is the leading all-in-one platform for security and privacy compliance. Get SOC-2 audit ready in weeks, not months. I believe in Secureframe so much that I invested in it, and I recommend it to all my portfolio companies. Sign up for a free demo and mention MOMENT OF ZEN during your demo to get 20% off your first year.
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Why is ChatGPT so woke, the arc of tech is centralization, and explaining the cathedral w/ Brian Chau
Brian Chau (@psychosort) joins us to discuss why ChatGPT is woke, how the arc of tech is centralization, and mental models for politics. If you’re looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen
We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.
RECOMMENDED PODCAST:
The HR industry is at a crossroads. What will it take to construct the next generation of incredible businesses – and where can people leaders have the most business impact? Hosts Nolan Church and Kelli Dragovich have been through it all, the highs and the lows – IPOs, layoffs, executive turnover, board meetings, culture changes, and more. With a lineup of industry vets and experts, Nolan and Kelli break down the nitty-gritty details, trade offs, and dynamics of constructing high performing companies. Through unfiltered conversations that can only happen between seasoned practitioners, Kelli and Nolan dive deep into the kind of leadership-level strategy that often happens behind closed doors. Check out the first episode with the architect of Netflix’s culture deck Patty McCord.
https://link.chtbl.com/hrheretics
TIMESTAMPS:
(01:00) Why is ChatGPT woke?
(06:23) DAN (do anything now)
(12:20) Who cares if chatGPT is a little woke?
(16:00) OpenAI is just protecting themselves
(23:00) Why is it so bad that chatGPT is a little woke?
(27:00) Why not compete with openAI directly?
(33:00) Why pluralism instead of truthism?
(40:00) How can pluralism win?
(42:00) Polarization is good
(51:00) The arc of technology is centralization
(01:12:30) Reconciling contradictions
(01:21:40) Explaining The Cathedral
(01:32:00) Why politics matters for tech
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-Shopify: https://shopify.com/momentofzen for a $1/month trial period
Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of all e-commerce in the US. And Shopify’s the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy’s, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries. From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you’re selling, Shopify’s got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/momentofzen
-NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen
NetSuite provides financial software for all your business needs. More than thirty-six thousand companies have already upgraded to NetSuite, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen and defer payments of a FULL NetSuite implementation for six months.
-Secureframe (www.secureframe.com)
Secureframe is the leading all-in-one platform for security and privacy compliance. Get SOC-2 audit ready in weeks, not months. I believe in Secureframe so much that I invested in it, and I recommend it to all my portfolio companies. Sign up for a free demo and mention MOMENT OF ZEN during your demo to get 20% off your first year.
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