
TA129: “No I didn’t, but I wanted to...”
08/03/23 • 32 min
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Minute One Hundred Twenty Nine: From Tossing Tony’s Mask to Not Finished Yet
Matthew Costello, author of several works on politics and superheroes including Secret Identity Crisis: Comic books and the Unmasking of Cold War America, joins us in this episode!
In the one-hundred-twenty-ninth minute of The Avengers ...
Thor rips the face of Tony’s mask off. The image of the face plate laying in the rubble was something we saw in the alternate opening for the film. We talk a bit about what that would’ve meant to have seen it then. Hulk roars and Tony snaps awake then has a line about hoping no one kissed him. This shifts us into some talk about fan fic and other ways this scene may be interpreted, regardless of any intentions from the writers or director. That wistful look on Steve’s face...
There’s plenty to discuss about camera technique in a post-climax scene, including the possible trope of the slow pull-back on our team. We also talk about the wrap-up of the battle and wonder why this ended up being put together without Clint or Natasha (despite the obvious reasons that they’re still at the tops of high-rises). And we wonder how Tony ever managed to spot the Shawarma Palace in the middle of his fighting. Tune in!
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Film Sundries
- Get your copy of Matthew’s book ‘Secret Identity Crisis: Comic books and the Unmasking of Cold War America’
- Watch this film: iTunes • Amazon • YouTube • Disney+
- Join the conversation on Discord
- Script
- Trailer #1
- Trailer #2
- Poster artwork
- Original Material
- Season 6 Show Art by Winston Yabo. Find him on Instagram
- Season 6 Music: “Message to the World” by Anthony Vega. Find him on Instagram
Minute One Hundred Twenty Nine: From Tossing Tony’s Mask to Not Finished Yet
Matthew Costello, author of several works on politics and superheroes including Secret Identity Crisis: Comic books and the Unmasking of Cold War America, joins us in this episode!
In the one-hundred-twenty-ninth minute of The Avengers ...
Thor rips the face of Tony’s mask off. The image of the face plate laying in the rubble was something we saw in the alternate opening for the film. We talk a bit about what that would’ve meant to have seen it then. Hulk roars and Tony snaps awake then has a line about hoping no one kissed him. This shifts us into some talk about fan fic and other ways this scene may be interpreted, regardless of any intentions from the writers or director. That wistful look on Steve’s face...
There’s plenty to discuss about camera technique in a post-climax scene, including the possible trope of the slow pull-back on our team. We also talk about the wrap-up of the battle and wonder why this ended up being put together without Clint or Natasha (despite the obvious reasons that they’re still at the tops of high-rises). And we wonder how Tony ever managed to spot the Shawarma Palace in the middle of his fighting. Tune in!
Join the conversation with movie lovers from around the world on The Next Reel’s Discord channel!
Film Sundries
- Get your copy of Matthew’s book ‘Secret Identity Crisis: Comic books and the Unmasking of Cold War America’
- Watch this film: iTunes • Amazon • YouTube • Disney+
- Join the conversation on Discord
- Script
- Trailer #1
- Trailer #2
- Poster artwork
- Original Material
- Season 6 Show Art by Winston Yabo. Find him on Instagram
- Season 6 Music: “Message to the World” by Anthony Vega. Find him on Instagram
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TA128: The Dom and Letty Grab
Minute One Hundred Twenty Eight: From The Fall of Tony to Concern About Their Fallen Friend
Robin Burdge from Karate Kid Minute and Sword Boys joins us in this episode!
In the one-hundred-twenty-eighth minute of The Avengers ...
Tony continues his unconscious falling from space back toward the one-sided hole, but will he make it? That’s the big question on everyone’s minds below. Unfortunately, with a nuclear explosion heading their way from the other side of the hole, Steve has to make the tough call to close the hole, potentially leaving Tony behind. It’s the tough call a military leader has to know when to make, and he makes it, knowing it’s potentially for the good of Earth. After all, if he doesn’t shut it, that nuclear blast will push through the hole.
It does lead to questions about how much radiation would actually make it through the hole, not to mention why it takes so long to get to the hole. We also wonder about the edge of the hole. Is it tangible? Or is it more like a laser that’d cut you in half if you hit it? And why, on Earth’s side, isn’t it depicted as something people actually have to fly through in order to get from the hole?
But the heroes do shut the hole and Tony makes it through. He’s unconscious, and luckily, Hulk decides he’s going to save Tony and he does so. Then he casually tosses him to the side. It’s touching and funny. Tune in!
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Film Sundries
- Karate Kid Minute
- Fright Night Minute
- Superman & Lois TV Talk
- Sword Boys
- Robin on Twitter and Letterboxd
- Watch this film: iTunes • Amazon • YouTube • Disney+
- Join the conversation on Discord
- Script
- Trailer #1
- Trailer #2
- Poster artwork
- Original Material
- Season 6 Show Art by Winston Yabo. Find him on Instagram
- Season 6 Music: “Message to the World” by Anthony Vega. Find him on Instagram
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TA130: The Hero Tableau
Minute One Hundred Thirty: From Realizing There’s One More Thing to Shawna Lynde’s Brief Appearance
TwitchTV’s MarvelousTay joins us in this episode!
In the one-hundred-thirtieth minute of The Avengers ...
Break time! But not quite. Tony really wants to get to Shawarma Palace, but he’ll have to wait because they have to deal with Loki first. But how does Clint get there? And do Natasha and Erik find a ladder or something to climb down? Is that how she got the scepter in the first place?
We find Loki barely moving, but alive. He clearly looks defeated, perhaps so much so that he doesn’t hear the six heroes sneak up on him because when he turns around, they’re practically in his face. We love the fantastic pose here showing our heroes assembling and in the scope of things, it doesn’t matter much that Loki doesn’t hear them coming because it looks so damn cool.
We jump to the helicarrier where we’re looking at several monitors, watching the various news feeds that Fury’s looking at. We discuss the newscaster here as well as several actors, along with a number of fun Easter eggs. Tune in!
Join the conversation with movie lovers from around the world on The Next Reel’s Discord channel!
Film Sundries
- MarvelousTay on TwitchTV, Instagram, and Twitter
- Watch this film: iTunes • Amazon • YouTube • Disney+
- Join the conversation on Discord
- Script
- Trailer #1
- Trailer #2
- Poster artwork
- Original Material
- Season 6 Show Art by Winston Yabo. Find him on Instagram
- Season 6 Music: “Message to the World” by Anthony Vega. Find him on Instagram
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