Immortality

03/13/23 • 39 min

As far back as we have recorded history, from ancient cave paintings to the pyramids, humans have quested for immortality. It is the ultimate prize for a species that can imagine the future and their own eventual death. In recent years, science has transformed that quest into a technological one. This episode starts with Max More, the former president of ALCOR Life Extension Foundation. Next stop is to meet with Dr. George Church, the legendary genomics pioneer, and take a trip to the forefront of age reversal. He has recently started a new company, Rejuvenate Bio, with his protegee Noah Davidsohn. The logic is that if people see the safety of radically increasing the lifespans of their pets, they will become much more comfortable trying the same therapy on themselves.
Andrew Hessel is a micro-biologist and geneticist and entrepreneur.

Max More is a philosopher and futurist who writes, speaks, and consults on advanced decision-making about emerging technologies.

George Church is an American geneticist, molecular engineer, chemist, and a serial entrepreneur who is widely regarded as the "Founding Father of Genomics", and a pioneer in personal genomics and synthetic biology.

Noah Davidsohn is the CSO & Co-Founder at Rejuvenate Bio. Previously, Noah was Research Scientist at Wyss Institute for Biologically Inspired Engineering.

Daniel Oliver is Founder and CEO of Rejuvenate Bio. He holds a business degree from Harvard Business School.
Reference links for this episode

Transcript https://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/makepeoplebetter/episode-002-longevity/
https://www.alcor.org

https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20230105006059/e

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Written and Edited by Cody Sheehy
Produced by Samira Kiani
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Recorded by Cody Sheehy and Samira Kiani
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Max More is a philosopher and futurist who writes, speaks, and consults on advanced decision-making about emerging technologies.

Noah Davidsohn is the CSO & Co-Founder at Rejuvenate Bio. Previously, Noah was Research Scientist at Wyss Institute for Biologically Inspired Engineering.

Daniel Oliver is Founder and CEO of Rejuvenate Bio. He holds a business degree from Harvard Business School.
Reference links for this episode

Transcript https://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/makepeoplebetter/episode-002-longevity/
https://www.alcor.org

https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20230105006059/e

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Designer Babies

Let’s start our journey into the genomic revolution where the documentary film, Make People Better left off. First, we will speak with Dr. Jiankui He (nicknamed “JK”), the Chinese scientist who secretly created the first designer babies, named Lulu and Nana. As a result of the controversy that followed, JK spent the next three years in prison. We also speak with Dr. Ben Hurlbut. Ben is an ethics expert from Arizona State University. We will dive deep into why JK did what he did, the top U.S. scientist and communist party officials who supported him, what happened to the twin girls Lulu and Nana, and what lies ahead for humanity now that this door to human enhancement has been opened.
Join our live discussion on Twitter Spaces.

Episode Guests

J. Benjamin Hurlbut, PhD is Associate Professor in the School of Life Sciences at Arizona State University. He studies the governance of biomedical research and innovation, examining the interplay of science and technology with democracy, religious and moral pluralism, and public reason.

Jiankui He is a Chinese researcher who created the first human genetically designed babies, the twin girls known by their pseudonyms, Lulu and Nana. The twins were enhanced to be immune to HIV, the virus that AIDS.

Reference links for this episode
Transcript (thanks B Bishop) https://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/makepeoplebetter/episode-001/

https://www.science.org/content/article/untold-story-circle-trust-behind-world-s-first-gene-edited-babies
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2023/feb/04/scientist-edited-babies-genes-acted-too-quickly-he-jiankui
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/04/opinion/gene-editing-crispr-fertility-medicine.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

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Hack Yourself

In the United States, many citizens place personal freedom above all other societal values. Combine that with a wave of new gene hacking technologies that are cheap and easy to use, and the biohacking movement is born. It’s fun, you can inject yourself in your own basement, and it can generate a lot of interest on social media.

In this episode we start with visionary biochemist, genetic designer, and biohacker Jo Zayner. An ex-NASA biochemist, turned underground biohacker, Jo first gained notoriety by publicly injecting themself with CRISPR at a live event. Although their claims that it would enhance their muscles did not pan out, it did inspire a wave of copycat hackers who started dubious enterprises that publicly injected themselves and sold untested cures to Herpes and other ailments. Samira and Cody traveled with Jo to the Dominican Republic, which has no medical regulations, to meet with patients suffering from muscular dystrophy, and who are desperate to meet Zayner and try any DIY cure.

Episode Guests

Jo Zayner (formerly Josiah Zayner) is a biohacker, artist, and scientist best known for their self-experimentation and work making hands-on genetic engineering accessible to a lay audience, including CRISPR.

Ynti Eusebio is the medical director of Prometheus Regenerative Lab located in the Dominican Republic. Ynti provides plastic surgery and Stem Cell Therapies to his patients.

Henry Thompson, a resident of the Dominican Republic suffering from muscular dystrophy.
Resources

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/02/biohacking-stunts-crispr/553511/
https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/5/19/18629771/biohacking-josiah-zayner-genetic-engineering-crispr
http://www.josiahzayner.com/p/about.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/19/style/biohacker-death-aaron-traywick.html
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