Expanding Prescribed Fire Capacity in Washington State, with Lucas King

07/12/23 • 28 min

We're big fans of the Mt. Adams Resource Stewards here at Life with Fire. You may recall our episode with the organization's Executive Director back in 2022 (episode 28), but we're back today with an episode with MARS' Stewardship Crew Lead, Lucas King, who shared his thoughts on expanding capacity for more burning and fuels reduction from the ground up in Washington State.

Lucas and Amanda spoke about expanding capacity for (and acceptance of) local burning in MARS' backyard—primarily through private lands burning and engaging community members through contractual opportunities and the Stewardship Crew itself. They also spoke about the Washington State Certified Burn Manager Program, engaging recreationists in the act of fuel reduction and land stewardship and a number of other topics, as well as what the stewardship crew has been up to this spring and summer.

Speaking of expanding capacity for prescribed burning in Washington State—have you heard about the two TREX events taking place in Washington this fall? The Selkirk and Gorge TREX events are accepting applications for a few more days (July 17th is the deadline), so if you're available and interested, be sure to apply asap!

05:52 - MARS' Approach to Non-Intimidating Fires

08:18 - Role Model Programs for MARS' Startup

10:14 - Private Landowners Burning with Crews

13:14 - Education in the MARS Program

16:09 - Washington State's Prescribed Burn Manager Course

19:29 - Engaging Rural Communities in Fire Mitigation

21:50 - Fostering Collaboration Among Property Owners

23:08 - Lucas' Background Story

25:26 - Spring Job Opportunities at MARS

27:01 - Current Status of Wildfire Proactivity

Produced by Morgan McRae

05:52 - MARS' Approach to Non-Intimidating Fires

08:18 - Role Model Programs for MARS' Startup

10:14 - Private Landowners Burning with Crews

13:14 - Education in the MARS Program

16:09 - Washington State's Prescribed Burn Manager Course

19:29 - Engaging Rural Communities in Fire Mitigation

21:50 - Fostering Collaboration Among Property Owners

23:08 - Lucas' Background Story

25:26 - Spring Job Opportunities at MARS

27:01 - Current Status of Wildfire Proactivity

Produced by Morgan McRae

Previous Episode

Life after Wildland Firefighting with Luke Mayfield

What can life after wildland firefighting look like? With the issues facing wildland firefighters these days (including but not limited to: abysmal pay, nonexistent benefits and perpetually being let down by elected officials who suggest they might actually do something about it etc) many in this essential but overworked workforce are likely considering that question themselves.

After asking himself that question for years, today's guest Luke Mayfield finally got his answer in 2019, when he left his job as a hotshot captain to see what life outside of operational fire was all about. He now works as the fire program director at Mystery Ranch Backpacks, and is still very much involved the fire community—both through his policy work at Grassroots Wildland Firefighters and as an emergency fill-in for hotshot crews for the last four summers. He's also spent some time this spring talking to hotshot crews about mental health and general wellness during the fire season, which are topics that he's well-versed in after 18 years in fire.

This episode isn't just for the firefighters out there, though. It's increasingly important that folks outside of the fire community better understand the challenges firefighters are facing, and take advantage of advocacy opportunities at the state and federal level. Much of those opportunities for advocacy, in fact, are rooted in Luke's work with Grassroots Wildland Firefighters.

Luke was a founding member of Grassroots back in 2019 after recognizing a need for more lobbying power/legislative presence on the part of the wildland fire community, which had historically been left out of the conversation at the policy level and, thus, often in the media and greater public consciousness. If you're looking for a way to support the wildland firefighters in your life or community, supporting the work of Grassroots is a great place to start.

Huge thanks to Luke for coming on the show, and an equally huge thanks to Mystery Ranch Backpacks for supporting Life with Fire over the years. We have a fancy new affiliate link program with MR and thought we'd highlight their man purse (aka Murse), which is like the Bugatti of man-purses: https://bit.ly/42CyyN6

TW: Mental health challenges and suicidal ideation are discussed briefly in this episode.

Next Episode

Community-Informed Wildfire Communications, With Isabeau Ottolini

Isabeau Ottolini is one of the foremost experts on imbuing risk communications with values that are informed by communities themselves. As a PhD candidate on community-based communications at the Open University of Catalonia in Spain, Isabeau spends a significant amount of time thinking about how we can best reach those most at risk of wildfire's impacts, while also allowing those folks to inform how we approach them on this subject.

The ways we talk about wildfire are often highly localized—and dependent on a number of factors like community values, history and available resources. However, the things that make for successful risk communication are largely universal, with mutual respect being chief among the elements of successful communication. This is a primary point of Isabeau's: that when we are talking to community members about wildfire or other climate risks, embracing a two-way communication approach (rather than top-down, as she calls it) is essential. In other words, ensuring that you're actually listening to the community you're attempting to communicate with.

Isabeau is also a current member of PyroLife, which is a PhD training program that supports students across the globe to pursue cross-disciplinary, wildfire-focused research projects. She recently published a paper called "A toolkit for fostering co-creation and participative community engagement with vulnerable communities at risk," where she expands on many of the topics we cover in this episode—we'd highly recommend giving it a read.

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Timestamps:

05:36 - Introduction

06:51 - Interest in Wildfires

09:05 - Community Collaboration Over Expert Dictation

10:36 - Community Experience as Starting Point

11:35 - Limitations of Wildfire Communication

15:07 - Spain vs. US Wildfire Management and Communications

17:43 - Communication as Top Priority

18:23 - Leveraging Social Media Platforms

19:38 - Tips for the Upcoming Wildfire Season

23:09 - Future of Wildfire Prevention Gaps

24:50 - Complexity of Wildfire Management