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Moral Mazes (Part 1)
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01/11/21 • 21 min
Part I: Protestant Work Ethic
Max Weber has a phrase: “secular ascetism” where you subjugate your impulses to God’s will, through “restless, continuous, systematic work in a worldly calling”. This entangles religious values (hard work, self-reliance, frugality) with work values and success, but over time the religious trappings slipped, opening up to conspicuous wealth and consumer culture. So, while frugality disappeared, self-reliance, gumption, and a foggy notion that morality is linked to success/wealth remained in the workplace.
Yet, also the workplace was becoming industrialized through Taylorism, supercharging bureaucracy. This new bureaucratic structure took those once human/religious virtues and built them into the workplace through regularized time-schedules, work procedures, and administrative hierarchies.
We don’t need to know your character, we have spreadsheets.
This system of bureaucratic industry spread into government and private sector, needing clerks, technicians, and myriad levels of managers to maintain it. A new class emerged: the big salaried man completely dependent and devoted to the corporation. (So much for self-reliance or dedication to God or even family.)
As Jackall points out, is not just being IN the organization, but OF the organization.
PART I: Pyramid Politics
Corporations centralize authority in the CEO (the King) while decentralizing it through Presidents, VP’s, District and Regional Managers. Reporting becomes a “web of commitments'' tying people to goals and reinforcing fealty relationships.
To issue a command from the top triggers a cascade of downward pressure to achieve an improbable task, especially when bound by a bureaucratic system. Hence a willingness to sacrifice or bend rules to achieve the King’s whims is championed as “loyalty,” and CEO’s tend to promote those who have the “capacity for creative problem solving” ... which is usually shady.
But you must be loyal in the right order: The rule is, you should be loyal to your boss directly above you. Equally, part of your job is to protect your boss from embarrassing themselves or the company.
“symbolically reinforce at every turn his own subordination and his willing acceptance of the obligations of his fealty.”
Robert Jackall
Credit and the King
details are pushed down and credit is pulled up
Bosses give vague instructions, purportedly to encourage subordinates autonomy. But really it is a cover your ass method, 1) because they don’t understand the details, or 2) they need a fall guy and deniability.
Credit or praise is a currency, not to be casually bestowed, it is to be used at the boss’s prudence.
This type of sagacity is especially egregious around the CEO where managers engage in irrational budget expenditures to appease a perceived preference, a wish, a whim. Jackall talks of repainting a whole building to impress a CEO, or dropping $10k on a custom made book... and the justification is, if you don’t appease the capricious king or queen today, your head could be on a pike tomorrow.
One tool in a CEO’s chest is the “shake up” where they reorganize the whole company.
This does a number of things: it reorganizes existing fealty or alliances, breaking up plots or troublesome dissenters. It also hides mistakes, as now no one is sure where the blame should land when things go badly. And it makes the Board and Wall street think you are aggressive. Meanwhile, it promotes anxiousness and stress throughout your company, often reinforcing the perception of needing to cater to the CEO's capricious moods, lest you be fired.
PART II: Success and Failure
Striving for success is a moral imperative in America.
Once you become a manager, you have proven competency, and beyond and it becomes much more about social factors, where you must align yourself with the “style and ethos of the corporation.”
So... if you want to rise, you have to re-make yourself into what they company desires by staying attuned to social cues. This is known as Self-rationalization or self-streamlining, and it sounds a bit sociopathic, but we probably all do it to a certain extent:
Such a manager “dispassionately takes stock of himself, treating himself as an object, as a commodity. He analyses his strengths and weaknesses and decides what he needs to change in order to survive and flourish in his organization. And then he systematically undertakes a program to reconstruct his image ...” (p.59)
- Appearance: indeed, the clothes do make the man.
- Self-Control: Control all emotion behind a mask of amiable blandness, never lose your temper, never reveal a secret.
- Be a Team Player: Con...
Step 25: Addicted to Thinking
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01/03/21 • 10 min
Part I
We all know we are addicted to our phones, but can it really be a bad thing to think all the time? Yes, it can. The stories we tell ourselves trigger a little a dopamine buzz, activating part of the DMN (Default Network Mode), which means we increasingly live in our own head listening to our own stories. The problem becomes compounded when the PCC (posterior cingulate cortex) is activated, since it often signals thoughts of obsessive control, rumination, induced morality, guilt, and depression.
All of these activities close off our ability to to see reality, increasingly letting us spin in a world of our own making.
I had done earlier research on the "observer effect" where we literally lose the ability to observe ourselves (self-perception) when our attention was highly active or we were doing a novel task. Equally, meditation and mindfulness practice have been shown to reduce PCC activity in the brain, allowing us to reduce the narrativizing tendency of the brain.
You are subject to sorrow, fear, jealousy, anger, and inconsistency. That’s the real reason you should admit that you are not wise.”
~ Marcus Aurelius
Part II
What does this mean in realistic terms?
People who play the psychology test, The Ultimatum Game, often get angry or disgusted at the perceived unfairness of offers. Often blowing up just to prove a point, even though they are playing against a computer. This righteousness doesn't hurt the computer, but it does hurt the subject, proving that we will hurt ourselves to prove a point.
Meditation or mindfulness practitioners seem to be able to de-couple or distance themselves from the negative emotions, taking them less personally, and thus reducing stress through empathizing with the other position. As well, they see little reward in hurting the other side, even if it is a computer.
This research shows that our cultural norms, our common sense and beliefs, may be harmful to us and others, and to engage in empathy without taking things personally points towards a universal human ethic.
Part III
Ryan Holiday put out a podcast that considers our addiction to thinking as a negative, harmful tendency that might be making us stupid and miserable. When we assign our role as a smart thinker, then we form opinions, not letting ourselves be open to new ideas or other people. As well, we do a disservice to those around us but thinking for them and not allowing them to take the exciting journey the world offers.
We need to remain open, and empathetic, moving out of the Nietzsche stage of a camel, hording knowledge, on to the lion, slaying our values, and embody the child creator. Which is so much more fun.
0:57 Dopamine and Daydreaming
2:35 Give your ego a break
3:26 You made your own story, and you are sticking with it
4:40 Hurting yourself for the principle of the thing
6:16 How do you halt your self-destruction?
8:30 Your cup is already full
Xmas Decorations and Musings on Neighbors
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12/24/20 • 6 min
Ryder takes a walk, and ends up musing about his neighbor's Xmas decorations, the lack of participation, and if that means anything. Expecting a conspiracy he researches the use of Xmas lights and a short history leading back to the White House and Thomas Edison.
Eventually he discusses the movement of all things from physical to virtual space. Pulling form the classic text "The Sacred and Profane" by Mircea Eliade, the question is raised that our portal to both is now the same.
Guilt, Shame and Groupthink
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12/14/20 • 23 min
Moving through the psychology of guilt vs Shame, and onto the societal implications of a shame-based or guilt-based culture, invoking Max Weber's "Protestant Work Ethic" as roots for our meritocracy, Hannah Arendt and Timothy Snyder's texts on the Nazi occupations and how people not only obeyed in advance, but used words to distance themselves from reality. This is linked to the American South, and the desire to avert shame or guilt of self through cultural constructions that benefit some while shaming others.
https://letusthinkaboutit.com/step-22-guilt-shame--group-think/
2:48 Social pressure uses Shame/Guilt to normalize behaviors, which is better than more laws.
5:01 Protestant Ideals: "Your Wee wee is from the devil"
7:23 Down with the Hierarchy! Don't obey him, obey me!
10:03 Shame leads to Rage: "it is not people that have passions, but passions that have people."
11:58 groupthink belief machine
16:06 "Their ideology ruined their relationship with reality"
18:02 Driven into toxic social groups through guilt, shame and a lack of forgiveness, people offer unwavering loyalty for guilt absolution.
20:44 Guilt and shame isolate people, for acceptance they pledge loyalty to toxic tribes.
The Dangers of Common Sense
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12/20/20 • 19 min
Part I
In a reaction to the previous podcast, step 23, my wife and I discussed the problem of tyrants, or mini-tyrants, who practice repressive tactics based on fear, coercion, and cronyism, and how reducing guilt and shame may not be helpful in combatting them.
People will do anything, no matter how absurd, in order to avoid facing their own souls.”
Carl Jung
The notion that is hard to fathom is that they are getting their rewards from somewhere, either their base or at home. Typically, shame or guilt socially would ameliorate their behavior, but when being shamed becomes a badge of honor, these tactics no longer work, and we must consider where they are receiving their rewards from to continue their behavior.
And if you think tough men are dangerous, wait until you see what weak men are capable of.”
Jordan Peterson
Part II
Considering how irrationality and groupthink produce a culture, then promote one of their own, we must consider how this culture of nonsensical “Common sense” is perpetuated.
If you ain’t first, you’re last
Ricky Bobby
Looking at Antonio Gramsci‘s work, a neo-marxist, we can see that the Cultural Hegemony (or cultural hierarchy) works to keep the bourgeoise (or capitalist ruling class) in power by aligning the Base (the working masses) with an ideology that reinforces their irrational allegiance to a system that keeps them in chains. He discusses a Superstructure of intellectuals (law, philosophy, education) as Shapers, who shape culture and the Base, while the Base maintains the Shapers, creating a loop.
However, cultural “common sense” is refuting many ideas from intellectual circles (the Shapers). This maintains the existing cultural hegemony, in part because both the workers and people in power are raised in a society that educates them with blind-spots and bias, creating an inability (at worst) or reluctance (at best) to be genuinely critical of the institutions surrounding them.
“Thank you sir, may I have another.”
How this manifests is multi-faceted, and considering the power/politics games involved we can only point out a few things to keep in mind:
- leaders use their position to remind you of hierarchy, and your role to follow
- leaders use economic coercion for alignment
- leadership is performative, utilizing clichés or truisms while ignoring other “truths”
- decisions are made to seem impersonal: it is the way the world works, like gravity or hurricanes
- bearing the burden of hard decisions evokes sympathy or honor, yet is a justification for “making the big bucks.”
All cruelty springs from weakness”
Seneca
Part III
If the mini-tyrant or leader is a singular individual, without the polis/oikos split from the Greek city/state, and he/she takes work criticism as personal criticism, then we have a leadership problem that turns reactionary, or self-saving (contractive) rather than open collaborative, organizational, or rational.
When all recourse to discourse, guilt, and shame are exhausted, we turn to the judicial branch, which tends to favor those in power due in part to the financial burden of the legal realm. This is a failure on multiple levels.
So, do we continue to fight on ideological principle? It is good to know you are in the right, but you will be battered for your principles. Is it easier to just give in rather than destroy your job and home life with the stress and pain? It is a “free country” so we can vote with our feet and leave, but this seems to be giving up the “good fight” when your society has somehow internalized and thrived on a dark morality.
3:14 Stop cornering people into a "join us or die" irrationality
5:21 Acting out to get your itch scratched
7:09 Man up and punch a girl, Ricky Bobby!
9:32 A banjo in the hand is worth 2 in the bush!
12:22 Speaking out against common sense
14:30 Leadership Tactics: economic coercion, cherry-picking truisms, injustice is a natural law
Tyranny of Merit (pt 2: education)
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12/06/20 • 26 min
Returning to Michael J. Sandel's "The Tyranny of Merit" we tackle how the college system establishes a sorting machine based on credentials. Sandel shows how the attempt at equal opportunity through education and standardized testing has allowed the wealthy to, once again, rise to the top and form a hereditary aristocracy. However, the winners feel that they deserve their success due to the struggles and challenges to achieve, lending them little pity and much hubris and disdain as they look down on those less fortunate.
As we discuss the genesis of the SAT and how it has been gamed, we also look at college entrance scandals, and how the process is traumatic for the winners and the losers of this increasingly expensive credentialization. Even those who do manage to rise, though statistically small, must deform themselves and their values to gain the dignity offered through a diploma.
In Part IV, we look at Sandel's suggestions to balance out the tyranny of merit coupled with wealth by reintroducing luck, or chance, to humble the winners while taking pressure off of them to play the soul crushing game of resume stuffing. He also looks at alternatives to education for knowledge, civic, and moral discourse, while asking us to reconsider how we value labor.
https://thewilltodiy.com/step-21-tyranny-of-merit-pt-2/
2:08 Merit: earning what you deserve
4:56 Intelligence over the Protestant Hereditary Aristocracy
7:38 We can only be proud if you have an Ivy League Degree
9:36 The richer you are, the better your SAT
11:14 Educational Sorting has created a Meritocratic arms race
17:00 College is the training ground for moral flexibility
18:53 Do we value upward mobility?
20:00 Meritocracy has reverted back to wealth
23:40 We spend less on technical training than on prisons
Breakdown of Will
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11/15/20 • 25 min
Part I
We are in the era of "treat yo' self" and "you deserve it," which is at odds with the attitudes and behaviors of many successful people.
What is will power? Ryder maps out three types of will found in psychoanalysis and how they relate to time. Freudian can be considered the "will to pleasure" based on your past, Adlerian is the "will to power (or superiority)" based around the present, and Frankl's logotherapy can be seen as the "will to meaning" based in part upon your future self.
He who has a why to live for can bear almost any how.
Friedrich Nietzsche
Will itself can be seen as motivations transformed into incentives, these incentives turn our choice into actions, and that in turn become our behaviors. These actions/behaviors show our values to the world, and thus it becomes who we are.
Part II
So, why do we do what we don't want to do... instead of doing what we say we want to do?
Ainslie discusses the Utilitarian and Cognitive camps to talk about 'satisfaction models'. A key point is to think of your internal desires as an internal marketplace, with different factions jockeying to win their reward. This follows the same principles of an army or corporation, any large group, where commands can be issued, but it is up to the managers to motivate the underlings, and an underground economy is formed that actually determines what gets done.
Utilitarians tend to think in logically: we do what rewards us. Yet, there are several instances where we hurt ourselves, or do not follow logical principles. It is as if the current temptation is stronger than our ability to delay gratification.
This brings up the "survival function" where we discount the future for the present, complicating rewards by discounting their value over time. Humans, and animals, tend to pick the more immediate, and often poorer, reward rather than wait for the long-term reward that would allow us to achieve our stated goals.
This invokes the "pleasure principle" that is built into humans, and we must consider the role of reason vs. pleasure. If reason only exists to fulfill our desires, then we can't rely on it to thwart our desires... unless we weaponize our desire. We must have a bigger, better, stronger desire that allows us to displace the short-term weak rewards we crave.
As well, we can, with forethought, plan around our future failures. If we know we will be tempted, we can, like Odysseus, plan around our temptations, but this does not work when temptation or instinct is sprung upon you.
Part III
Taking a closer look at why we function the way we do, Ainslie points out "exponential discounts" versus "hyperbolic discounts." Humans tend towards hyperbolic, but someone like a banker looks long-term and realizes that if rates stay steady the long-term game wins. The banker can then take advantage of the hyperbolic person who values something strongly in the immediate moment without planning ahead.
The banker is an example of a long-term rewards thinker, and the hyperbolic is the rest of us reacting to our immediate need. Ainslie brings up that rewards and pleasures are not the same thing. Rewards are behaviors that you repeat, and they may be painful, while pleasures tend to be desire fulfillment.
Consider the instinct of a mother bear to protect her cubs: this is behavior does not produce pleasure for individual, but it does reward the species. Similarly, humans have a list of behaviors that can be hacked and are not good for individual welfare, but play a role in gene propagation. Nature tends to make these species rewards "pleasurable" so that we undertake hoarding food or having sex. So, why has nature not figured out the hyperbolic behavior can be taken advantage of by the banker on an exponential, logical curve?
We end on two analogies for how to consider long-term v. short-term rewards. One is perspective where we understand that the building at the end of the block is larger than the one we are standing next to, even though the one we are next to looms larger, taking up more attention. Rewards function this was as well: the nearer reward demands attention, blocking out the ability to stay focused on the long-term reward in the distance. The other is a "chain of predation" where small fish are eaten by progressively larger fish... but with rewards it functions in reverse where the small reward (the current itch) eats the larger rewards (mid-range goals) until we never get to the big long-term reward.
0:56 Why does will power break down?
3:29 Will and 3 schools of Psychoanalysis tied to Past/Present/Future
6:49 Procrastination and Chunky Monkey: Who am I?
110:01 Illogical Decisions or Survival Discounting?
15:05 physics for the mind: weaponize your desires
17:09 Outwit your self: Odysseus
19:38 Pleasure for survival: instinct...
Tyranny of Merit (pt.1)
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12/01/20 • 39 min
Michael J. Sandel, a Harvard philosophy professor, questions the assumption that by working hard and playing by the rules you deserve what you earn. This "meritocratic" notion of justice is observably increasing inequality and fostering a winner/loser culture that led to the populist backlash of Trump and Brexit.
https://thewilltodiy.com/step-20-tyranny-of-merit-pt-1/
Part I: What is Meritocracy and why is the commonly held belief that it is a good thing wrong? COVID has shown us a lot about how our society works, yet over the last 40 or 50 years, our politics and system of merit has set up a dynamic of the "worthy" as "smart" and the underclass as "dumb", assigning virtue and morality through position and advancement.
Part II: The merit of the market. Our economy of working hard and getting rewarded has failed over half the country. As GDP has tripled, the lower-half of workers have not seen a wage increase in 60 years, allowing all of the economic growth to be concentrated at the top.
Equally, we look at Hedge fund managers and "Breaking Bad" to consider what the market actually values more than virtue, morality, or humanity.
Part III: Luck egalitarianism and distributive justice. How do we develop a society where people are compensated by more than the market, where they have a civic and psychological wage of prestige? If you think this is not important for a society, look at the "Deaths of Despair" wherein under-educated middle-aged men's self-inflicted deaths have tripled since 1990.
Michael Young wrote a satirical dystopian story about the shifting of "equality" from birth or wealth to ability or talent. He foresaw that a society based on merit would morally condemn those left behind even more brutally than a class system.
Part IV: In conclusion Sandel offers the story of Henry Aaron, where to escape prejudice and poverty he hits homeruns. So we are tempted to applaud merit, but Sandel sys this is a mistake. We should not applaud a system that requires hitting homeruns to escape from a life of poverty and injustice.
5:32 -Boomerang CEO
9:13 Max Weber: the forunate needs to know he desereves his fortune
10:33 Obama: The right thing, the smart thing
13:10 Our biggest bias: the uneducated
17:01 The finance industry: extracting rent from the real economy
20:07 workers wages have remained stagnant, while the economy has tripled
24:14 Moral Markets, Breaking Bad
32:41 Deaths of despair
34:43 Michael Young: the dark side of merit
35:50 Talent over prejudice: The mistake of meritocracy
36:56 The prison that deforms you so you can squeeze through the bars
The Panopticon
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07/17/20 • 17 min
After discussing the social contract and the balance of "Freedom From/Freedom To" Ryder looks at another form of social power dynamics that stem from ideological prison design, grow into institutional and workplace behavior modification, and eventually spread to the public internalizing self discipline and punishment, and participating not only in surveilling other citizens, but directing their gaze and attention to re-affirm and verify the authority of the state. This episode introduces Jeremy Benthem's prison design, a limited version of Michel Foucault's ideas from both Discipline & Punish and Power/Knowledge texts, as well as a brief extrapolation of Tony Bennett's "exhibitionary control."
The Will to DIY has a list of links and commentary: https://thewilltodiy.com/step-13-the-panopticon/
Many thanks to Mistah Lisa and Jonathan Whitfill.
1:40 Benthem: Guarding prisoners with "visible, but unverifiable power"
4:11 Foucault: Our escaped prisoner walks into a real bar, and gets committed to an asylum.
6:56 The manager's "surveillance discourse" instills "normative behavior"
9:00 The Reflective Intelligence Meter: measure your intelligence now!
11:42 Our escaped prisoner escapes the asylum, and is declared a "genius" in the art world for pointing his eyeballs.
Pragmatism (with Mister Lisa)
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02/25/21 • 57 min
For the podcast's first interview, L and I read William James "Pragmatism" as well as a few other texts. We are mostly concerned with how objective and subjective truths or beliefs intertwine, at once having a framework to gauge and judge truth and it's use in the real world, but wanting to maintain a pluralistic notion that allows space for fallibility and individual experience.
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