
Episode 22: Suffer the Little Children
01/22/22 • 14 min
This is an interview with Rev. Craig B. Mousin, an Adjunct Faculty member of the DePaul University’s College of Law, Refugee and Forced Migrations Studies Program and the Grace School of Applied Diplomacy. The podcast requests that you send comments to the federal government before midnight eastern standard time on Tuesday, January 25 providing ideas to end the policies that have led to family separation and lengthy detention of asylum seekers. The Biden administration has recognized the human tragedy caused by these policies and has requested your ideas to ensure the United States never engages in such policies and practices again.
ACTION STEP
You can use either of these links to send your ideas to the Task Force.
The National Immigrant Justice Center has provided the direct link to the request for comments:
A coalition of groups has put together this link for Immigrant Justice at:
You can use any resources or background material you find persuasive, but please make sure your comments uniquely represent your views. Do not simply copy and paste someone else’s comments unless you add why you find them persuasive. You can add your personal experience or why you believe the United States should end family separation and detention of asylum seekers.
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This is an interview with Rev. Craig B. Mousin, an Adjunct Faculty member of the DePaul University’s College of Law, Refugee and Forced Migrations Studies Program and the Grace School of Applied Diplomacy. The podcast requests that you send comments to the federal government before midnight eastern standard time on Tuesday, January 25 providing ideas to end the policies that have led to family separation and lengthy detention of asylum seekers. The Biden administration has recognized the human tragedy caused by these policies and has requested your ideas to ensure the United States never engages in such policies and practices again.
ACTION STEP
You can use either of these links to send your ideas to the Task Force.
The National Immigrant Justice Center has provided the direct link to the request for comments:
A coalition of groups has put together this link for Immigrant Justice at:
You can use any resources or background material you find persuasive, but please make sure your comments uniquely represent your views. Do not simply copy and paste someone else’s comments unless you add why you find them persuasive. You can add your personal experience or why you believe the United States should end family separation and detention of asylum seekers.
To see the rest of the notes please visit:
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Episode 21: Pondering Anew
This is an interview with Rev. Craig B. Mousin, an Adjunct Faculty member of the DePaul University’s College of Law, Refugee and Forced Migrations Studies Program and the Grace School of Applied Diplomacy. The podcast opens the new year with a request to consider how our biblical and national founding narratives offer us an opportunity to reconsider how we as individuals and a nation should respond to asylum seekers fleeing danger in their homelands.
The biblical narrative stories can be found in Matthew 1-2 and Luke 2:1-19.
The TRAC data base from Syracuse University provided the information on the 22,068 individuals in detention. See: https://trac.syr.edu/immigration/detentionstats/pop_agen_table.html
The American Immigration Council’s report on individuals in detention and the number of unaccompanied minors in detention can be found at: “Rising Border Encounters in 2021: An Overview and Analysis” See: https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/rising-border-encounters-in-2021
The Young Center for Immigrant Children’s Rights provided the number of over 70,000 individuals trapped in Mexico under the MPP, the stories of the children cited in the podcast, as well as additional stories of children trapped in dangerous situations under these policies. See: https://www.theyoungcenter.org/mpp-harms-children
The National Immigrant Justice Center documents that thousands more have been denied the opportunity to apply for asylum by the continued implementation of the Title 42 program and expansion of the MPP program. “NIJC Condemns The Biden Administration for Reinstating The Migrant Protection Protocols (MPP). See: https://immigrantjustice.org/press-releases/nijc-condemns-biden-administration-reinstating-migrant-protection-protocols-mpp (October 15, 2021).
Marilynne Robinson, in her essay in “Old Souls, New World,” discusses the democratic principles fostered by many of the Puritans coming to New England in What Are We Doing Here? Essays, (NY, Farrar, Straus, and Giroux, 2018), 274, 291-92.
The Walter Brueggemann quote can be found in his book, The Land: Place as Gift, Promise and Challenge in Biblical Faith (Minneapolis, Fortress Press, 2002), 10, as cited in Craig B. Mousin, “Constantine’s Legacy: Preserving Empire While Undermining International Law,” 389: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3960335
Rev. Ted Conklin’s full poem, “Displaced Person” was cited in an Advent meditation by the Rev. Thomas N. Mousin, “Keeping Advent, Saturday, December 11, 2021” at: https://thomasmousin.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Keeping-Advent-December-11-2021.pdf
The full poem of Rev. Dr. Howard Thurman’s, “The Work of Christmas Begins” can be found at: https://www.ignatianspirituality.com/now-the-work-of-christmas-begins/
ACTION STEP
Ponder anew how we can offer hospitality to those seeking safety in this new year and then follow Rev. Drs. King and Thurman: go forth to “find the lost, to heal the broken, to feed the hungry, to release the prisoner.” We will be providing additional information on other action steps in subsequent podcasts.
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Episode 23: What the heck is a proposed rule? (and other questions)
This is an interview with Rev. Craig B. Mousin, an Adjunct Faculty member of the DePaul University’s College of Law, Refugee and Forced Migrations Studies Program and the Grace School of Applied Diplomacy. The podcast responds to questions raised by our listeners about the importance of responding to proposed federal regulations. In five of our previous podcasts we invited you to file responses to proposed regulations or federal rules impacting how our nation treats asylum seekers and refugees. We have been asked why engage in submitting comments and what else can one do to expand hospitality within our nation?
If you are seeking additional immigration on asylum issues such as limiting asylum applications or restricting admissions based on public health considerations, visit the National Immigrant Justice Center’s resource page at: https://immigrantjustice.org/issues/asylum-seekers-refugees
If you would like more information on the work of the DePaul College of Law Asylum and Immigration Law Clinic, visit: https://law.depaul.edu/academics/experiential-learning/legal-clinics/asylum-immigration/Pages/default.aspx
If you would like more information on refugee resettlement programs, re-visit Podcast 10, “Rebuild Refugee Resettlement,” where you will also find information about Chicago-area refugee resettlement programs:
The Catholic Charities of the Archdiocese of Chicago Refugee Resettlement Program
Ethiopian Community Association of Chicago
World Relief Chicagoland Refugee Resettlement
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