
Episode 198 The Secret Service Question Part 9 Sam Kinney Part 2
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12/17/23 • 25 min
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Episode 198 is the ninth in a mini- series wander covering the Secret Service and their possible involvement in the coverup, or the actual plot itself to assassinate President Kennedy. Today's episode continues our coverage of Sam Kinney, the driver of the Presidential follow up car that day in Dallas. It's part of the overall story of the secret service agents in Dallas that fateful day. The follow up car was carrying the bulk of the secret service agents who were protecting the president and the first lady, and it was situated right behind the presidential limousine. Kinney is undoubtedly one of the good guys, and this is a bonus episode that captures verbatim his actual written statement dated November 30th, some eight days after the assassination. Kinney was never asked to testify before the Warren Commission. He was absent from the handful of more prominent agents in the passion play that did testify in 1964. In later years, he would talk on three separate occasions with researcher Vince Palamara. In the previous episode, you heard portions of those interviews and also from Sam Kinney's neighbor Gary Louck, According to Louck, Kinney had privately revealed to him that Kinney was the one who found the bullet in the presidential limousine. Louck relayed this story after Kinney's death. That bullet, according to Louck's account of it, became Warren Commission exhibit 399. And that was long before agent Paul Landis more recently came forth with a similar assertion. Of course, both cannot be true. In the prior episode we also tell Kinney's story of how, during the flight back to Andrews Airforce Base, traveling with the presidential limousine in a C-130 transport, Kinney would inspect the vehicle and find a portion of the president's skull in the back seat. It was a piece of the president's skull that he placed in his pocket and gave to Admiral George Berkeley, upon return to Washington. Where did the fragment go?....the answer to that question is still a mystery, as it is unaccounted for at the autopsy. Delving deeper into the individuals involved into the President's protection is for the purpose of solving the perplexing question of how men generally so loyal to the President, might have motivations to act otherwise. It is the seminal question regarding the inner workings of the secret service and their true orientation to President Kennedy. The inner workings of the Secret Service are just that...they are secret...and not much has been said by the agents outside of the official agency position.... since the assassination, but at least one man Vince Palamara is widely considered to be the resident expert on how the Secret Service figures into the assassination story. Mr. Palamara has done more original research on this topic than anyone else. Others have done extensive research including Doug Horne. So this series of episodes will give us a chance to better understand this often over looked aspect of the assassination story.
Even as early as 1964, rumors and serious concerns over the lone gunman theory and the evidence that might contravene it, were becoming a major concern for the government and the commission. Conspiracy theories were contrary to the government's stated narrative from the very beginning. This real-life story is more fascinating than fiction. No matter whether you are a serious researcher or a casual student, you will enjoy the fact filled narrative and story as we relive one of the most shocking moments in American History. An event that changed the nation and changed the world forever.
Episode 198 is the ninth in a mini- series wander covering the Secret Service and their possible involvement in the coverup, or the actual plot itself to assassinate President Kennedy. Today's episode continues our coverage of Sam Kinney, the driver of the Presidential follow up car that day in Dallas. It's part of the overall story of the secret service agents in Dallas that fateful day. The follow up car was carrying the bulk of the secret service agents who were protecting the president and the first lady, and it was situated right behind the presidential limousine. Kinney is undoubtedly one of the good guys, and this is a bonus episode that captures verbatim his actual written statement dated November 30th, some eight days after the assassination. Kinney was never asked to testify before the Warren Commission. He was absent from the handful of more prominent agents in the passion play that did testify in 1964. In later years, he would talk on three separate occasions with researcher Vince Palamara. In the previous episode, you heard portions of those interviews and also from Sam Kinney's neighbor Gary Louck, According to Louck, Kinney had privately revealed to him that Kinney was the one who found the bullet in the presidential limousine. Louck relayed this story after Kinney's death. That bullet, according to Louck's account of it, became Warren Commission exhibit 399. And that was long before agent Paul Landis more recently came forth with a similar assertion. Of course, both cannot be true. In the prior episode we also tell Kinney's story of how, during the flight back to Andrews Airforce Base, traveling with the presidential limousine in a C-130 transport, Kinney would inspect the vehicle and find a portion of the president's skull in the back seat. It was a piece of the president's skull that he placed in his pocket and gave to Admiral George Berkeley, upon return to Washington. Where did the fragment go?....the answer to that question is still a mystery, as it is unaccounted for at the autopsy. Delving deeper into the individuals involved into the President's protection is for the purpose of solving the perplexing question of how men generally so loyal to the President, might have motivations to act otherwise. It is the seminal question regarding the inner workings of the secret service and their true orientation to President Kennedy. The inner workings of the Secret Service are just that...they are secret...and not much has been said by the agents outside of the official agency position.... since the assassination, but at least one man Vince Palamara is widely considered to be the resident expert on how the Secret Service figures into the assassination story. Mr. Palamara has done more original research on this topic than anyone else. Others have done extensive research including Doug Horne. So this series of episodes will give us a chance to better understand this often over looked aspect of the assassination story.
Even as early as 1964, rumors and serious concerns over the lone gunman theory and the evidence that might contravene it, were becoming a major concern for the government and the commission. Conspiracy theories were contrary to the government's stated narrative from the very beginning. This real-life story is more fascinating than fiction. No matter whether you are a serious researcher or a casual student, you will enjoy the fact filled narrative and story as we relive one of the most shocking moments in American History. An event that changed the nation and changed the world forever.
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Episode 197 The Secret Service Question Part 8 Sam Kinney Part 1
Episode 197 is the eighth in a mini- series wander covering the Secret Service and their possible involvement in the coverup, or the actual plot itself to assassinate President Kennedy. Today's episode continues our coverage of the individuals in the white house detail who were in Dallas that fateful day. In this episode, we tell the story of Sam Kinney the driver of the Secret Service follow up car. The car that was carrying the bulk of the secret service agents, and which was situated right behind the presidential limousine in the motorcade. Kinney is undoubtedly one of the good guys, and his comments are captured during an oral interview by Vince Palamara and and in his only public television appearance on the Today Show. Kinney would privately reveal that he was the one who found the bullet in the presidential limousine. A fact made public after his death by Gary Louck, who was his neighbor and his friend. Before Kinney died, he would tell Palamara the story of how he found a piece of the presidents skull as he was inspecting the presidential limousine. Kinney was taking the limousine back to Washington via a C130 transport plane when he came across the skull fragment. He would drop the fragment in his pocket and deliver it to Dr. George Berkely, once he returned to Washington. Where did the fragment go....the answer to that question is still a mystery as it is unaccounted for at the autopsy. Join us for all sorts of fascinating facts and revelations from this straight shooting and forthright member of the secret service team. Delving deeper into the individuals involved into the President's protection is for the purpose of solving the perplexing question of how men generally so loyal to the President, might have motivations to act otherwise. It is the seminal question regarding the inner workings of the secret service and their true orientation to President Kennedy. The inner workings of the Secret Service are just that...they are secret...and not much has been said by the agents outside of the official agency position.... since the assassination, but at least one man Vince Palamara is widely considered to be the resident expert on how the Secret Service figures into the assassination story. Mr. Palamara has done more original research on this topic than anyone else. Others have done extensive research including Doug Horne. So this series of episodes will give us a chance to better understand this often over looked aspect of the assassination story.
Even as early as 1964, rumors and serious concerns over the lone gunman theory and the evidence that might contravene it, were becoming a major concern for the government and the commission. Conspiracy theories were contrary to the government's stated narrative from the very beginning. This real-life story is more fascinating than fiction. No matter whether you are a serious researcher or a casual student, you will enjoy the fact filled narrative and story as we relive one of the most shocking moments in American History. An event that changed the nation and changed the world forever.
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Episode 199 The Secret Service Question Part 10 Paul Landis Statements in 1963
Episode 199 is the tenth in a mini- series wander covering the Secret Service and their possible involvement in the coverup, or the actual plot itself to assassinate President Kennedy. Today's episode continues our coverage of the individuals in the white house detail who were in Dallas that fateful day. In this episode, we compare the two 1963 statements by Paul Landis, made just days after the assassination on November 27th and November 30th, 1963. Mr. Landis is yet another secret service agent that thought that one of the shots came from the front or the right front. Join us as we read verbatim, the two statements that Landis made and compare and contrast the details of what comprises those two statements. Delving deeper into the individuals involved into the President's protection is for the purpose of solving the perplexing question of how men generally so loyal to the President, might have motivations to act otherwise. It is the seminal question regarding the inner workings of the secret service and their true orientation to President Kennedy. The inner workings of the Secret Service are just that...they are secret...and not much has been said by the agents outside of the official agency position.... since the assassination, but at least one man Vince Palamara is widely considered to be the resident expert on how the Secret Service figures into the assassination story. Mr. Palamara has done more original research on this topic than anyone else. Others have done extensive research including Doug Horne. So this series of episodes will give us a chance to better understand this often over looked aspect of the assassination story.
Even as early as 1964, rumors and serious concerns over the lone gunman theory and the evidence that might contravene it, were becoming a major concern for the government and the commission. Conspiracy theories were contrary to the government's stated narrative from the very beginning. This real-life story is more fascinating than fiction. No matter whether you are a serious researcher or a casual student, you will enjoy the fact filled narrative and story as we relive one of the most shocking moments in American History. An event that changed the nation and changed the world forever.
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