
It Was What It Was : The Football History Podcast
The Overlap
Welcome to The Overlap's football history podcast, It Was What It Was.
Each week Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper will be talking about the key episodes in football history that have shaped the footballing world.
The show will be discussing the best stories from football's past, giving insights to the personalities involved. the tales from behind the scenes and the impact they left.
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Lines, Screens and Outrage! The Story, the Impact and the Cost of VAR
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01/03/25 • 54 min
Welcome back to It Was What It Was and Happy New Year!
In today’s episode, Rob Draper and Jonathan Wilson delve into the origins of VAR with author Daisy Christodoulou.
Her latest book, I Can’t Stop Talking About VAR, discusses its profound impact on the sport, and whether it was designed to enhance football - or if football is now adapting to fit VAR. The evolution of football has never felt more immediate or impactful.
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El Clasico: Civil War, Conspiracies And Scandal With Sid Lowe
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10/22/24 • 64 min
This week on It Was What It Was, we're talking one of football's greatest rivalries: Real Madrid and Barcelona.
In the week of El Clasico, Spanish football expert Sid Lowe joins Rob and Jonathan to discuss the history, politics and scandal behind possibly the biggest club match in football.
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Soccer: An American History - Part One: Origins and Challenges
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03/18/25 • 52 min
In this episode of It Was What It Was, Rob Draper and Jonathan Wilson dive into the early history of soccer in the United States.
They look at efforts to establish professional leagues, the influence of immigrant communities, and the geographic and cultural factors that made it difficult for football to gain a foothold - compared to rival American sports.
This episode is the first of a three-part series. Join us on Friday as the story continues!
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Chapters:
00:00 Introduction to American Soccer
01:08 Early History of Soccer in the USA
02:00 Challenges and Attempts to Establish Soccer
02:38 Soccer's Struggle for Popularity
06:06 The Role of Universities in American Football
17:16 Immigrant Influence on American Soccer
17:43 Regional Hotbeds of Soccer
24:18 Formation of Early Soccer Leagues
27:43 The Rise of Fall River and Early American Football
28:31 Economic Challenges and League Suspensions
29:18 Comparing Football Cultures: UK vs. US
33:11 Baseball's Influence on Early American Soccer
38:53 The Birth of the US Football Association
41:36 Challenges and Growth of Early US Soccer
46:52 Bethlehem Steel and the Industrial Influence
51:01 The Challenge Cup and Regional Rivalries
52:09 Concluding Thoughts and Future Prospects
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Barcelona vs Inter: Pep, José, and the Semi-Final That Defined an Era – Part Two
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04/25/25 • 50 min
Welcome to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast.
It's time for Part Two of Pep vs Jose! As Barcelona and Inter prepare to face off once again in this year’s Champions League semi-final, we look back at the original - a tie that shaped modern football.
Guardiola vs Mourinho. All-out attack vs. tactical defiance. Ideology, rivalry - maybe even good vs. evil?
Fifteen years ago, Pep’s all-conquering Barcelona met Jose's Inter Milan in a Champions League semi-final that didn’t just decide who reached the final - it helped define a footballing era.
Having set the scene in part one, Rob and Jonathan relive the incredible semi-final battles, where Mourinho would ultimately dethrone Guardiola in an incredible second-leg at the Nou Camp - which saw a controversial sending off, late drama and an iconic pitch celebration.
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00:00 Introduction and Setting the Scene
00:45 The Clash of Philosophies: Mourinho vs. Guardiola
01:32 The Tactical Battle Begins
04:32 The Volcano Eruption and Its Impact
10:24 First Leg Highlights and Analysis
13:18 Ibrahimović's Conflict and Mourinho's Mind Games
18:06 The Build-Up to the Second Leg
25:23 The Myth of the Decision
25:41 The Controversial Red Card
26:54 Conspiracy Theories and Psychological Influence
27:52 The Clash of Good vs. Evil
28:34 Tactical Fouling and Pep's Cynical Side
29:59 Marina's Critique of Barcelona's Tactics
31:37 Inter's Defensive Masterclass
34:13 The Struggle Against Possession Football
36:38 The Final Moments and Disallowed Goal
40:03 Marino's Triumphant Celebration
43:16 The Aftermath and Legacy
46:43 The Tactical Evolution in Football
48:58 The Importance of Non-Possession Football
50:28 Conclusion and Reflections
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The Making of a Football Superpower - Part Two: The Arrival
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02/25/25 • 51 min
Welcome back to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast..
Approaching the end of the millennium, the U.S. women’s national team had already won a World Cup and Olympic gold, but they were still fighting for mainstream recognition. That all changed when they took centre stage at the 1999 Women’s World Cup.
With 90,000 fans packing the Rose Bowl and millions watching around the world, the final against China became a defining moment - not just for the U.S. team, but for women’s football as a whole. Brandi Chastain’s iconic penalty, the sold-out stadiums, and the sheer spectacle of the tournament proved that women’s football wasn’t just growing - it had arrived.
This is the story of how the 1999 World Cup reshaped the sport forever.
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Football's Dirtiest Ever Game: Battle of Santiago 1962
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07/30/24 • 66 min
Welcome to the latest episode of The Overlap’s football history podcast, It Was What It Was.
This week, Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper delve into one of football's dirtiest ever games: the infamous Battle of Santiago in 1962.
Regarded as one of the most brutal matches in football history, the Battle of Santiago saw host nation Chile face Italy in a violent and chaotic encounter at the World Cup.
Jonathan and Rob detail the events leading up to the game and the explosive incidents on the pitch, where the first foul was committed within 12 seconds, and armed police entered the field three times. They also explore the lasting impact this notorious match had on the world of football.
Discover the political and cultural tensions that fuelled the animosity between the teams, and hear about the controversy surrounding Chile's hosting of the World Cup just two years after a catastrophic earthquake.
Learn how this game led to significant changes in football's officiating and disciplinary procedures, including the invention of the yellow and red card system by the match referee, Ken Aston.
Join us to uncover the full story behind the Battle of Santiago, a match that remains a stark reminder of the sport's darker side.
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The Trilogy of Violence: Celtic v Racing 1967 - Part One
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10/29/24 • 47 min
This week on It Was What It Was, we’re traveling back to 1967, when Celtic’s legendary Lisbon Lions clashed with Racing Club in an unforgettable, fiery three-match series for the Intercontinental Cup.
In Part One, Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper set the stage before the first leg at Hampden Park, where Jock Stein’s side secured a 1-0 advantage to take to South America - though the real drama was just beginning.
Join us on Thursday for the thrilling conclusion of this historic showdown in Part Two!
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The Making of a Football Superpower - Part Three: A New Dawn
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02/28/25 • 47 min
Welcome back to It Was What It Was. This is the story of a new dawn - where one national team took full control of their destiny, cementing a legacy that continues to shape football today.
Following their World Cup triumph (in our last part), the U.S. Women's side entered a new era of independence and power - and with it came major shifts.
Coach Tony DiCicco became a casualty of the team’s growing influence, making way for fresh leadership and a transformed vision. But tensions were surfacing behind the scenes, with a showdown between star player Brandi Chastain and new coach April Heinrichs...
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The Man Behind Liverpool’s 20th Title - Arne Slot’s story
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04/29/25 • 47 min
Welcome to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast.
Liverpool wrapped up their 20th English league title at the weekend, so today co-hosts Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper focus on the fascinating career of manager Arne Slot who has won the Premier League at his first attempt at Anfield.
Beginning with his unique upbringing in a football-centric Dutch Bible Belt town, we explore how watching his father coach from a young age shaped Slot's tactical mind, travel through his early playing days, his reputation as a tactician, and his impressive managerial stints that led him to win the Eredivisie with Feyenoord and now the Premier League with Liverpool.
On Friday, Jonathan and Rob will assess where Slot's Liverpool title winners sit in Liverpool's glorious history.
00:00 Introduction: A Coach's Son
00:40 Early Life and Background of Arne Slot
01:26 The Dutch Football Culture
03:01 Influence of Johan Cruyff and Total Football
05:02 Arne Slot's Youth and Early Football Education
07:11 Professional Career Beginnings
13:40 Tactical Innovations and Coaching Philosophy
21:58 The Early Coaching Journey of Arne Slot
23:14 Challenges and Successes at Cambuur
25:56 Influence of Pep Guardiola and Data Analytics
29:10 Rise at AZ Alkmaar
34:43 Success at Feyenoord and Coaching Style
43:45 Legacy and Future Prospects
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Barcelona vs Inter: Pep, José, and the Era-Defining Semi-Final - Part One
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04/22/25 • 45 min
Welcome to It Was What It Was.
As Barcelona and Inter prepare to face off once again in this year’s Champions League semi-final, we look back at the original - a tie that shaped modern football.
Pep Guardiola vs. José Mourinho. All-out attack vs. tactical defiance. Ideology, rivalry - maybe even good vs. evil?
Fifteen years ago, Pep’s all-conquering Barcelona met Mourinho’s Inter Milan in a Champions League semi-final that didn’t just decide who reached the final - it helped define a footballing era.
In Part One, Rob and Jonathan set the scene: how Mourinho’s Inter came to challenge the most dominant team in the world, the tactics he used, the battles he fought in Italy, and how both sides arrived at this collision point chasing domestic and European glory.
Part Two drops Friday, where Rob and Jonathan break down the epic semi-final itself.
00:00 Barcelona's Football Perfection
01:48 Mourinho vs. Guardiola: A Rivalry Begins
02:47 The Dark Side of Mourinho
03:25 Star Wars Analogies and Football Tactics
06:53 Mourinho's Seven-Point Plan
07:45 Mourinho's Philosophy and Evolution
08:43 Mourinho's Journey to Inter Milan
09:58 Cultural Expectations and Pragmatic Football
12:23 Mourinho's Press Conference Antics
13:44 Mourinho's Linguistic Brilliance
14:49 Mourinho's Training Philosophy
20:04 Key Matches and Tactical Shifts
21:16 Mourinho's First Season at Inter
22:27 Transfer Drama: Stars on the Move
23:51 Barcelona's Dominance and Challenges
26:40 Inter's Journey to the Semifinals
28:57 Mourinho's Tactical Mastery
32:29 Controversies and Confrontations
40:24 The Road to the Semifinals
43:57 Setting the Stage for the Epic Semifinal
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How many episodes does It Was What It Was : The Football History Podcast have?
It Was What It Was : The Football History Podcast currently has 83 episodes available.
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The podcast is about Premier League, History, Football, Podcasts, Sports and Soccer.
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The episode title 'The Premier League’s Greatest Games: Liverpool 4-3 Newcastle – Part Two' is the most popular.
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The average episode length on It Was What It Was : The Football History Podcast is 53 minutes.
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Episodes of It Was What It Was : The Football History Podcast are typically released every 4 days.
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The first episode of It Was What It Was : The Football History Podcast was released on May 7, 2024.
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