
A Conversation with The Next Question Co-hosts Chi Chi Okwu & Jenny Booth Potter - 160
02/04/20 • 59 min
This week Jeff has a conversation with The Next Question co-hosts Chi Chi Okwu and Jenny Booth Potter. The Next Question is a revolutionary web series where racial justice happens face-to-face. It dares to ask hard questions, listen, and then ask the next question. Chi Chi and Jenny, along with Austin Channing Brown, sit with intellectuals and artists, activists and historians, journalists and authors to expand our imaginations for racial justice.
In this episode Chi Chi and Jenny discuss the process of starting a web series like this. They share the highs and lows of everything from production, booking guests and all that goes into setting the table for hard conversations about race. It gets a little meta when Chi Chi, Jenny and Jeff discuss the art of interviewing and being entertaining.
Chi Chi and Jenny also touch on the many issues tackled in the Next Question and the line up of amazing guests. All episodes of The Next Question are available at tnqshow.com.
RELEVANT LINKS
From Our Conversation with The Next Question Co-hosts Chi Chi Okwu & Jenny Booth Potter
- The Next Question (Web Series)
- I'm Still Here: Black Dignity in a World Made for Whiteness by Austin Channing Brown (Book - Amazon Affiliate Link)
- Nikole Hannah Jones (American Investigative Journalist)
- Brené Brown (Author & Research Professor at the University of Houston)
- Queer Eye (Netflix Television Show)
- Rachel Cargle (Public Academic, Writer, and Lecturer)
- Andre Howard
- The Problem We All Live With - Part One (Nikole Hannah Jones’ This American Life special)
- Author Austin Channing Brown – I’m Still Here: Black Dignity in a World Made for Whiteness – 118 (Irenicast Episode)
- Michelle Alexander (Writer, civil rights advocate, and visiting professor at Union Theological Seminary)
- Roxanne Gay (American writer, professor, editor, and commentator)
MORE ABOUT CHI CHI & JENNY
Chi Chi Okwu is a gifted leader who specializes in strategic planning and mobilization. For more than a decade, Chi Chi has been responsible for partner development, fundraising, empowering teams, and implementing programs to address local justice issues. Chi Chi is a graduate of the University of Alabama and has a Masters Degree in Public Health and Business Administration. She has also completed graduate work at North Park Seminary focusing on Urban Ministry. Chi Chi is the Content Producer and Co-Host of the show. You can follow Chi Chi on Twitter @chichiokwu and Instagram @cokwu
Jenny Booth Potter's day job is Creative Producer. She has been involved in video production for nearly 10 years. She has developed scripts, overseen casting and story interviews, provided creative direction and logistics on-set, and loves making a finished product out of a single idea. She is a storyteller at heart and is passionate about racial justice. Jenny has a degree in Psychology and Non Profit Management and loves leading workshops to teach others tips and tricks for bringing creative visions to life. She is the Creative Producer and Co-Host of The Next Question. You can follow Jenny Booth Potter on Twitter @JennyBPotter and check out her website at JennyBoothPotter.com
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This week Jeff has a conversation with The Next Question co-hosts Chi Chi Okwu and Jenny Booth Potter. The Next Question is a revolutionary web series where racial justice happens face-to-face. It dares to ask hard questions, listen, and then ask the next question. Chi Chi and Jenny, along with Austin Channing Brown, sit with intellectuals and artists, activists and historians, journalists and authors to expand our imaginations for racial justice.
In this episode Chi Chi and Jenny discuss the process of starting a web series like this. They share the highs and lows of everything from production, booking guests and all that goes into setting the table for hard conversations about race. It gets a little meta when Chi Chi, Jenny and Jeff discuss the art of interviewing and being entertaining.
Chi Chi and Jenny also touch on the many issues tackled in the Next Question and the line up of amazing guests. All episodes of The Next Question are available at tnqshow.com.
RELEVANT LINKS
From Our Conversation with The Next Question Co-hosts Chi Chi Okwu & Jenny Booth Potter
- The Next Question (Web Series)
- I'm Still Here: Black Dignity in a World Made for Whiteness by Austin Channing Brown (Book - Amazon Affiliate Link)
- Nikole Hannah Jones (American Investigative Journalist)
- Brené Brown (Author & Research Professor at the University of Houston)
- Queer Eye (Netflix Television Show)
- Rachel Cargle (Public Academic, Writer, and Lecturer)
- Andre Howard
- The Problem We All Live With - Part One (Nikole Hannah Jones’ This American Life special)
- Author Austin Channing Brown – I’m Still Here: Black Dignity in a World Made for Whiteness – 118 (Irenicast Episode)
- Michelle Alexander (Writer, civil rights advocate, and visiting professor at Union Theological Seminary)
- Roxanne Gay (American writer, professor, editor, and commentator)
MORE ABOUT CHI CHI & JENNY
Chi Chi Okwu is a gifted leader who specializes in strategic planning and mobilization. For more than a decade, Chi Chi has been responsible for partner development, fundraising, empowering teams, and implementing programs to address local justice issues. Chi Chi is a graduate of the University of Alabama and has a Masters Degree in Public Health and Business Administration. She has also completed graduate work at North Park Seminary focusing on Urban Ministry. Chi Chi is the Content Producer and Co-Host of the show. You can follow Chi Chi on Twitter @chichiokwu and Instagram @cokwu
Jenny Booth Potter's day job is Creative Producer. She has been involved in video production for nearly 10 years. She has developed scripts, overseen casting and story interviews, provided creative direction and logistics on-set, and loves making a finished product out of a single idea. She is a storyteller at heart and is passionate about racial justice. Jenny has a degree in Psychology and Non Profit Management and loves leading workshops to teach others tips and tricks for bringing creative visions to life. She is the Creative Producer and Co-Host of The Next Question. You can follow Jenny Booth Potter on Twitter @JennyBPotter and check out her website at JennyBoothPotter.com
SUPPORT THE SHOW
You can always count on Irenicast providing a free podcast on the 1st and 3rd Tuesday of every month. However, that does not mean that we do not have expense related to the show. If we have provided value to you and you would like to support the show, here are a few options.
PAYPAL - You can make a one-time, or recurring, tax-deductible donation to the show through PayPal. Just go to Irenicast.com/PayPal to make your donation. We are a 501(c)(3).
MERCH - Irenicast has a merch store at Irenicast.com/Store. We are always developing more items so check out our current offerings.
AMAZON - Next time you go to make a purchase on A...
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High Control Religious Environments - Do Not Keep Calm and Carry On - 159
We’re survivors of high control religious environments? What? Irenicast co-hosts offer the (sometimes) uncomfortable awareness that if you were in an evangelical/fundamentalist community, much of your life, inside and outside of church, was probably highly controlled.
The conversation includes the harmful legacy of growing up and living within a highly controlled religious environment. For example, strong leadership equals controlling people; vulnerability is exploited and access to “worldly” information is heavily managed.
Each co-host shares their own experiences of how being part of a high control religious environment impacted them developmentally and psychically. Using recent research as inspiration, co-hosts tell how they are healing from the realities of being both victims and participants in controlling religious communities.
The episode ends with a rousing round of Appledash. Let’s just say -- for people leaving evangelical/fundamentalist faith, delayed adolescence is real.
Conversation on High Control Religious Environments (01:05)
Appledash Segment (52:17)
RELEVANT LINKS
From Our Conversation on High Control Religious Environments
- Cracking the Cult Code for Therapists: What Every Cult Victim Wants Their Therapist to Know by Bonnie Zieman (Book - Amazon Affiliate Link - This is the book Allen is primarily referencing in this episode)
- Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt (Netflix Show)
- Infidel by Ayaan Hirsi Ali (Book - Amazon Affiliate Link)
- How We Fight for Our Lives: A Memoir by Saeed Jones (Book - Amazon Affiliate Link)
- Educated: A Memoir by Tara Westover (Book - Amazon Affiliate Link)
- Learned Helplessness (Psychological Term)
- Epic of Gilgamesh (Creation Myth)
- The Five Stages of the Soul: Charting the Spiritual Passages by Harry R. Moody and David Carroll (Book - Amazon Affiliate Link)
- Paul Rudd Hot Ones Meme
From Our Appledash Segment (Appledash has also been played on episodes #024 and #081)
- Apples 2 Apples (Board Game - Amazon Affiliate Link)
- Balderdash (Board Game - Amazon Affiliate Link)
- Bumfuzzle
- Sackbut
- One of Allen’s Hurdy Gurdy Videos
- Otiose
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Talking Redemption with Jay Bakker - 161
In this episode Casey dives right into talking redemption with Jay Bakker. Jamie Charles “Jay” Bakker is an American pastor, author and speaker. He is the son of televangelists Jim Bakker and Tammy Faye Bakker Messner. During his young adult years Bakker became disillusioned with mainstream Christianity, becoming particularly critical of Christian fundamentalism and the Christian right. He has pastored the Revolution Church in Minneapolis since 1994.
Casey and Jay challenge and affirm each other as they exchange their perspectives on LGTBQ+ treatment by the church, the current political climate, the path to redemption and more. True to Irenicast form, this episode reveals the intermingling of diverse opinions within the unifying desire for wholeness. To have your thoughts provoked, take a listen.
Conversation on Redemption with Jay Bakker (00:36)
RELEVANT LINKS
From Our Conversation on Redemption with Jay Bakker
- Revolution Church
- Jim Bakker (American televangelist and former Assemblies of God minister)
- Tammy Fay Bakker Messner (American Christian singer, evangelist, author, talk show hostess, and television personality)
- Son of a Preacher Man: My Search for Grace in the Shadows by Jay Bakker (Book - Amazon Affiliate Link)
- Fall to Grace: A Revolution of God, Self & Society by Jay Bakker (Book - Amazon Affiliate Link)
- Faith, Doubt, and Other Lines I've Crossed: Walking with the Unknown God by Jay Bakker (Book - Amazon Affiliate Link)
- Evangelical Lutheran Church in America - ELCA
- Redemption (Dictionary Definition)
- Redemption Song by Bob Marley
- You Are Accepted by Paul Tillich
- RuPaul (American drag queen, actor, model, singer, songwriter, and television personality)
- Conversion Therapy – Praying the Gay Away – 150 (Irenicast Episode)
- Social Distortion (American punk rock band)
- Pride Month Celebration – Grand Marshal Pastor Casey and Trans Pastor & Author Rev. Lawrence T. Richardson – 144 (Irenicast Episode)
MORE ON JAY BAKKER
Jay Bakker lives in Minneapolis, Minnesota, where he is pastor of Revolution, a church that meets in a bowling alley and has a worldwide online audience. Jay speaks to congregations and other groups all over the country about faith, grace, and his experiences with the underbelly of life and Christianity. Jay has authored the books Fall to Grace, Son of A Preacher Man, as well as his most recent title, Faith, Doubt, and Other Lines I’ve Crossed: Walking with the Unknown God. To stay connected to Jay Bakker’s work follow him on Twitter @jaybakker
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