Informal Economy Podcast: Social Protection

In this month, we start a especial mini-series on social protection for informal workers in the context of the Covid-19 global pandemic. This global health crisis has brought many countries, cities and states to a halt, as authorities try to slow down the spread and “flatten the curve”.This unprecedented lockdown has also deep social and economic consequences, and impact the lives of billions of workers. In this opening episode of the series, we invite Sally Roever to discuss how this health and economic crisis impacts informal workers, the policy responses and the challenges governments will have to face in order to protect informal workers’ health and livelihoods. Sally Roever is WIEGO’s International Coordinator. She holds a PhD in political science from the University of California at Berkeley, and she has studied for 20 years the ways in which laws, policies and politics shape informal work and informal workers' organizations. In this talk, Sally analyses the immediate responses to the crisis, such as cash grants, and projects the challenges that might lie ahead for governments and workers. On the next episodes, we will explore more in-depth other issues that revolve around protection of informal workers, in terms of healthcare provision and work and income security for informal workers, as the global pandemic crisis unfolds. References WIEGO Covid-19 crisis page - https://www.wiego.org/covid19crisis Global Rec (waste-pickers) Covid-19 page: https://globalrec.org/covid19/ WIEGO Blog: Pandemic: Informal workers urgently need income replacement — and more protections https://www.wiego.org/blog/pandemic-informal-workers-urgently-need-income-replacement-and-more-protections StreetNet International (street vendors) statement http://streetnet.org.za/2020/03/24/streetnet-international-statement-in-response-to-covid-19/ StreetNet International Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/StreetNet-175851405831761/ IDWF (domestic workers)statement https://idwfed.org/en/updates/global-idwf-statement-on-protecting-domestic-workers-rights-and-fighting-the-coronavirus-pandemic IDWF Facebook facebook page https://www.facebook.com/IDWFED/ *Our theme music is Focus from AA Aalto (Creative Commons)

In this International Women’s Day episode we will discuss a very important topic for women informal workers: child care. As women are most often the primary responsible for looking after their children, without quality child care services, they either have to forgo paid work or are less productive because they have watch their children while trying to work. Child care is vital, especially in the poorest households, as the earnings of women informal workers often represent a large share of one family’s income. In order to talk in more detail about child care policies for informal workers, we invite two especial guests this month. Our first guest is Laura Addati. Laura is a Policy Specialist on Women’s Economic Empowerment at the ILO Office for the United Nations in New York. She has coordinated policy work on care work, maternity protection and work-family policies and has co-authored a number of ILO publications on these topics. Our second guest, returning to the podcast is Rachel Moussié. Rachel is Deputy Director of the Social Protection programme at WIEGO, where she also researches child care policies for informal workers. Laura and Rachel are the co-authors of three policy briefs published by the ILO on child care policies for informal workers. The briefs are being launched this week. In this episode, we discussed with them more in-depth their third brief, on models of child care provision for informal workers. Resources: Quality childcare services for workers in the informal economy ILO-WIEGO Child Care Policy Brief no1 https://www.wiego.org/publications/quality-childcare-services-workers-informal-economy Labour and human rights frameworks promoting childcare for all workers. ILO-WIEGO Child Care Policy Brief no2 https://www.wiego.org/publications/labour-and-human-rights-frameworks-promoting-childcare-all-workers Extending childcare services to workers in the informal economy: Policy lessons from country experiences ILO-WIEGO Child Care Policy Brief no3 https://www.wiego.org/publications/extending-childcare-services-workers-informal-economy-policy-lessons-country Blog: Three new ways of at looking at the urgent need for quality childcare https://www.wiego.org/blog/three-new-ways-looking-urgent-need-quality-childcare Beijing Declaration and Platform of Action https://www.unwomen.org/en/csw/csw64-2020 Care work and care jobs report: https://www.ilo.org/global/publications/books/WCMS_633135/lang--en/index.htm ILO World Social Protection Report (2017-2019): https://www.ilo.org/wcmsp5/groups/public/---dgreports/---dcomm/---publ/documents/publication/wcms_604882.pdf ILO Policy Guidelines on the promotion of decent work for early childhood education personnel: https://www.ilo.org/sector/Resources/codes-of-practice-and-guidelines/WCMS_236528/lang--en/index.htm ILO Centenary Declaration for the Future of Work https://www.ilo.org/global/about-the-ilo/mission-and-objectives/centenary-declaration/lang--en/index.htm Domestic Workers Convention (C189): https://www.ilo.org/dyn/normlex/en/f?p=NORMLEXPUB:12100:0::NO::P12100_ILO_CODE:C189 Maternity Protection Convention (C183): https://www.ilo.org/dyn/normlex/en/f?p=NORMLEXPUB:12100:0::NO:12100:P12100_INSTRUMENT_ID:312328:NO 100 Years of Maternity Protection https://www.ilo.org/gender/Events/WCMS_715815/lang--en/index.htm Transition from the Informal to the Formal Economy Recommendation (R204): https://www.ilo.org/dyn/normlex/en/f?p=NORMLEXPUB:12100:0::NO:12100:P12100_INSTRUMENT_ID:3243110:NO Social Protection Floors Recommendation(R202): https://www.ilo.org/dyn/normlex/en/f?p=NORMLEXPUB:12100:0::NO:12100:P12100_INSTRUMENT_ID:3065524:NO *Our theme music is Focus from AA Aalto (Creative Commons)

For decades, domestic workers have struggled to be recognized and to enjoy the same rights as other workers – including social protection rights. There has been significant progress over the past few years, as the workers’ movement pressured in national and international forums to have labour and social protection rights enshrined in their legal system. The ILO Convention-189 and the ratification by 35 countries, is one example of such achievements. However, there is still a lot to be done in order to formally include domestic workers into social protection systems. But also, there are important steps to be taken in order to ensure that these workers are effectively enjoying their rights, even where they are legally entitled to them. In order to better understand the concepts, shortcomings, challenges and advances regarding the inclusion of domestic workers in social protection schemes I talked to Maya Stern-Plaza. Maya is the Social Protection Standards and Legal Expert of the Social Protection Department of the International Labour Organization. In addition to supporting the ratification and application of international social security standards she is also the Department’s focal point for domestic workers. She is the main author of the report “Making the right to social security a reality for domestic workers: A global review of policy trends, statistics and extension strategies”, which is being launched today, June 16th, the International Domestic Workers’ Day. *Our theme music is Focus from AA Aalto (Creative Commons) ---- References ILO report “Making the right to social security a reality for domestic workers: A global review of policy trends, statistics and extension strategies” https://www.ilo.org/global/publications/WCMS_848280/lang--en/index.htm “Ten Years Since Winning C189: Domestic Workers Become an Unstoppable Movement”, by IDWF and WIEGO https://www.wiego.org/sites/default/files/resources/file/C189%20Ten%20Years%20Since%20Winning%20C189%20for%20web_0.pdf "Making C189 Real": The Domestic Workers Project https://www.wiego.org/making-c189-real-domestic-workers-project Blog: What’s Changed for Domestic Workers since C189? Our Legal Team Unpacks the Progress, by Pamhidzai Bamu https://www.wiego.org/blog/what%E2%80%99s-changed-domestic-workers-c189-our-legal-team-unpacks-progress

In the first episode of the year we will discuss numbers! Statistics are a powerful tool to shed light on the informal economy, and to make informal workers visible in policy arenas. In order to help us understand better the linkages between social protection and statistics, the challenges, limitations and the most recent research on the field we invite two special guests: Françoise Carré and Francie Lund. Françoise is the WIEGO’s Statistics Programme Director, and Research Director at the Center for Social Policy at the University of Massachusetts Boston. Françoise conducts research on work transformation and non-standard work in the USA and internationally. Francie is WIEGO Senior Advisor. She is also a Senior Research Associate in the School of Built Environment and Development Studies at the University of KwaZulu-Natal in Durban, South Africa. References ILO Women and Men in the Informal Economy Report 3rd edition (2018) https://www.ilo.org/global/publications/books/WCMS_626831/lang--en/index.htm ILO Women and Men in the Informal Economy Report 2nd edition (2013) https://www.ilo.org/wcmsp5/groups/public/---dgreports/---stat/documents/publication/wcms_234413.pdf ILO Women and Men in the Informal Economy Report 2nd edition (2002) https://www.wiego.org/sites/default/files/migrated/publications/files/ILO-Women-Men-Informal-2002.pdf WIEGO-ILO Statistical Report https://www.wiego.org/ilo-wiego-statistical-reports Chains of Production, Ladders of Protection: Social Protection for Workers in the Informal Economy https://www.wiego.org/publications/chains-production-ladders-protection-social-protection-workers-informal-economy WIEGO page on the Statistics programme https://www.wiego.org/our-work-impact/core-programmes/statistics *Our theme music is Focus from AA Aalto (Creative Commons)

Who should bear the main burden of social service: is it the state, the private sector, NGOs, communities or individuals? This is a very complex discussion, so central to questions of rising inequality. In order to contribute to this debate, Laura Alfers has published a paper for the UNRISD Conference “Overcoming Inequalities in a Fractured World: Between Elite Power and Social Mobilization”, which took place in Geneva, last November. Laura’s paper is concerned with how informal workers’ organizations have become involved in health service provision – something that is often termed “co-production.” She draws from two case studies, one from India and another one from Thailand, to explain how grassroots organizations have taken important roles in the provision on social services. Laura Alfers is WIEGO’s Social Protection Director and Research Associate in Rhodes University, in South Africa. She is here again with us to discuss the issues surrounding “Informal Workers Co-Producing Social Services in the Global South”, the title of her paper. RESOURCES Conference paper: Informal Workers Co-Producing Social Services in the Global South: Task Shifting or Political Strategy towards a New Social Contract?, by Laura Alfers. Draft paper prepared for the UNRISD Conference Overcoming Inequalities in a Fractured World: Between Elite Power and Social Mobilization 8–9 November 2018, Geneva, Switzerland. http://www.unrisd.org/80256B42004CCC77/(httpInfoFiles)/3DB49A55A790DBFCC12583390051DA55/$file/Overcoming%20Inequalities%205b_Alfers---Final.pdf Blog: In India, One-stop Shops Increase Access to Healthcare, Nutrition and Social Security Services for Working Poor, by Laura Alfers http://www.wiego.org/blog/india-one-stop-shops-increase-access-healthcare-nutrition-and-social-security-services-working- Bridges to Better Lives: SEWA's Community Health Workers, by Annie Devenish and Laura Alfers. Workers’s Lives brief 7. http://www.wiego.org/sites/default/files/publications/files/WL7_Devenish_Alfers%20final%20for%20web.pdf Forging a New Conceptualization of “The Public” in Waste Management, by Melanie Samson. WIEGO Working Paper 32. http://www.wiego.org/sites/default/files/publications/files/Samson-Public-Waste-Management-WIEGO-WP32.pdf Our theme music is Focus, from A. A. Aalto (Creative Commons)