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A few years back, I got a DM from a founder wanting to meet and swap stories about adventures in entrepreneurship. Despite being backed by some of the top VCs in the world, they were taking a very different approach from the classic VC blitzscaling playbook. As we sat on the back patio of a bar in Brooklyn, it was clear that how Jori and his founding team at Linear were building was very aligned with how we were encouraging founders to consider building through indie (note - we are, sadly, not investors in Linear).

Years and a Series B later, the Linear founders have continued building their company on their terms.

A few weeks back, I had the opportunity to sit down with Jori’s co-founder, Karri Saarinen, at his home in California for a wide-ranging talk. We covered everything from their time at some of the biggest hyperscalers of the last wave (think AirBnB, Coinbase, Uber), to net-negative lifetime burn rate (they’ve basically never spent the $52M they’ve raised), to their version of “Founder Mode”, to Finnish potato farming.

A few notable takeaways from this conversation:

Building a Different Kind of Company
Linear aims to build a company and product in a way that differs from typical Silicon Valley startups by focusing on product quality and craft rather than rapid scaling. By maintaining profitability and controlled growth instead of burning through venture capital, they’ve been able to build a venture-scale company without giving up optionality. The founders draw on their experiences at companies like Airbnb and Coinbase to avoid pitfalls they observed there, like culture dilution from hyper-growth. They’ve emphasized a small, high-quality team over rapid hiring.

Product and Growth Philosophy
Linear prioritizes product quality over growth hacks or aggressive marketing. By focusing on making the product so good that people naturally talk about it, they’ve been able to capitalize on word-of-mouth from satisfied users as a growth strategy.

Founder Approach
Karri emphasizes the importance of founders staying connected to the product and the craft. Because they care deeply about the output and quality of work, they can avoid creating unnecessary management layers or processes. Karri advocates for founders to think critically about standard startup advice and find their own path that aligns with their strengths and values.

Remote Work and Culture
Linear is fully remote, which they see as an advantage in maintaining focus and avoiding unnecessary distractions like office design. The company emphasizes clear communication and looks for employees with strong communication skills to thrive in a remote environment. Remote works if the founders want it to.

I really loved this conversation with Karri.

It highlights for me that there really is a new wave of ultra ambitious founders who are finding a way to stay true to themselves and their visions by focusing on what matters, and putting themselves in a position to controlling their own destiny. Linear, Vanta, Zapier, Webflow, and so many others are validating that growth at all costs doesn’t have to cost you everything.

I hope you enjoy listening to this conversation as much as we enjoyed recording it.

As always if you or someone you know are working on something that could be a fit for indie, don’t hesitate to reach out.

In April 2015, I read an article that elicited a reaction I’d only had a few other times prior.

We had just closed applications for our first round of experimental indie investments and had made most of our selections.

The article in question was titled Instagram’s TMZ, not exactly a title that would typically grab the attention of a Mormon dad in Utah. But I was captivated by the story and the mystery of the founder known only by her first name, Angie. By design, she was not the face of The Shade Room (TSR), that was a distinction for her large and growing audience of “Roommates” who kept the comments buzzing and the scoops flowing.

Any fan of pop culture knows that it's largely downstream of Black culture. Control the headwaters of culture, and you can shape the conversation around it. That’s the opportunity that I saw in TSR, but the risk was that they would follow the playbook of the other modern media giants of their generation - Buzzfeed and Vice. Unlike the latter, who had built their own technology and properties from the ground up, TSR leveraged existing social channels to go directly to their audiences. This was as practical as it was counterintuitive and ultimately led to a meaningful part of the TSR success story, while Buzzfeed and Vice have drifted into obscurity and irrelevance.

A few takeaways from this conversation:

The Shade Room's journey and growth:
Angie started The Shade Room in 2015 with a vision of it becoming influential and a cultural game-changer, despite having only a few thousand followers at the time. After indie's investment, Angie was able to take that confidence and has grown significantly since then. The Shade Room has become an integral part of Black culture and media, with a highly engaged community called "The Roommates".

Angie's approach to building The Shade Room:
Angie has purposefully kept the company bootstrapped, avoiding taking on additional investment in order to maintain ownership and control. She's turned down multiple 9-figure acquisition offers, driven by her long-term vision and purpose rather than financial gain. As a Black media company representing Black culture, The Shade Room faces increased scrutiny. Advertisers have undervalued The Shade Room's audience compared to other media outlets, like BuzzFeed and Vice. But because she kept her independence, the Shade Room was able to outlast those over-funded media companies.

Advice for those starting out:
If Angie was starting the Shade Room today, she'd follow these three pieces of advice —
1) Speak to yourself and your own interests.
2) Listen to your audience.
3) Truly know your audience.

Recording this conversation in Angie’s home was a beautiful contrast to when we first met. Her growth as a business builder and as a person has truly been highlight of my professional career. There’s no doubt in my mind that there’s much more runway ahead for her and TSR. Hopefully that can all happen without landing me in any more diss tracks...

We hope you enjoy listening as much as we enjoyed recording this one.

And as always, if you’re working on something that could be a fit for indie, or know someone who is, don’t hesitate to reach out.B

— Bryce

A few weeks back, I was the morning speaker at an event hosted by David Senra of FoundersPodcast (one of my favorite podcasts and people). The afternoon speaker was someone I’d never heard of before, Shegun Otulana. The story he told resonated deeply — a Nigerian immigrant who came to study at the University of Alabama. He had the drive to be an entrepreneur and had a few early attempts that ended in a failed partnership and a pile of debt.

Feeling like he was made for more than pushing pixels at a 9-to-5, and at the urging of his wife, Shegun set out to find a problem he could solve and eventually build a business around. A chance encounter led to meeting the head of a mental health clinic in Birmingham, AL. They needed a new system to run their practice but none seemed to fit their unique needs. After failing to find them something he could help them buy, Shegun built them a simple app. That simple app led to feature requests, which led to his first paying customer and then the word of mouth began to spread.

Within 5 years, after only having raised $250,000 from local angel investors and with no experience in the industry, that side project had become a thriving business doing north of $50M in ARR and was valued at hundreds of millions of dollars. Along the way, he has able to bring in PE investors and de-risk his personal finances with several rounds of secondary. He eventually sold the business to KKR in 2021 for $1.25B, making it the largest tech exit in Alabama.

Some takeaways from this one:

— Shegun built a successful healthcare software company through disciplined, customer-obsessed growth. Their approach centered on deeply understanding customer problems at counseling centers and building the initial product based on direct feedback. They found differentiation through an innovative pricing model aligned with customer needs and an SEO forward sales motion.
— Starting with just $250,000 in initial funding, Shegun grew the business to over $50M in revenue within 5 years, eventually selling to KKR for $1.25 billion. Shegun emphasized fundamental business principles rather than chasing fundraising hype. The company maintained strong financials with 30% profit margins and 90% gross margins, growing organically without requiring additional capital on the balance sheet.
— Shegun’s leadership philosophy focused on creating a culture of transparency where team members could be vulnerable while maintaining high standards. He built a distributed team to access talent cost-effectively and gave team members significant autonomy within clear guidelines.

At the conclusion of his talk at Senra's event, we both met in the hallway and gave each other a big hug. It was like finding someone who was a part of your tribe — speaking your same language and sharing your same values.

When we realized we’d both be at the Main Street Summit the following week, we decided then and there to get his story recorded. The MSS organizers were kind enough to turn over their main stage theatre for us to record in after hours and I think the resulting conversation and visuals make this one you can't skip.

I hope you enjoy listening as much as we enjoyed recording it.

As always, if you or someone you know is working on something that could be a fit for indie, don't hesitate to reach out.

Bryce

After wrapping this week’s conversation with published author and ReadySet’s CEO, Y-vonne Hutchinson, I stepped out of the studio, opened my phone, and X was ablaze.

In the year of our Lord 2024, a startup had decided that an anti-woke marketing campaign was the best possible way for them to generate attention for their payroll software company. The culmination of this campaign was one of their sales affiliates posting a racist rant. The fallout from this was all over my timeline. Even the most anti-woke of the tech set found themselves embarrassed and deeply uncomfortable with the direction and velocity the pendulum was swinging.

Tech has a tortured relationship with DEI, race, and gender. The world is becoming increasingly diverse, yet the number of employees and funded startup founders from diverse backgrounds has remain unchanged, if not shrunk. Because the Me Too, George Floyd, and Black Lives Matter movements have left a bad taste in the mouths of many tech leaders, I fear we’re at risk of throwing the baby out with the bath water.

At the heart of this uncomfortable conversation is something deeply important to company cultures specifically, and the future of tech broadly, so I invited my friend Y-vonne to talk about it.

Y-vonne and her company ReadySet were part of the Indie v4 batch of companies. I have a deep respect for her, her work, and the company she’s building. A few takeaways from this conversation:

Historical Context of DEI Efforts
Progress in diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) often follows a pattern of advancement followed by backlash and retrenchment. This has happened repeatedly throughout U.S. history. The recent pushback against DEI initiatives can be seen as part of this historical pattern, rather than an isolated event. DEI efforts sometimes focused too much on individual change rather than systemic issues, leading to fatigue.

DEI in the Tech Industry
The broad, nebulous nature of “DEI” as a concept allowed it to become a target for criticism. Some DEI initiatives were performative rather than substantive, causing disillusionment. The tech industry initially embraced DEI efforts, but economic pressures and changing market conditions led many companies to cut DEI programs and staff. Some tech leaders have used DEI as a “boogeyman” to justify cuts, even though the underlying issues of bias and lack of diversity remain unaddressed.

DEI as a Business Imperative
Y-Vonne argues that DEI should be seen as a tool to solve real business problems like attrition, market share, and product-market fit. Companies that ignore diversity issues risk building products that don’t serve increasingly diverse markets and user bases. Companies should aim for “healthy culture” that enables collaboration and innovation, rather than trying to mandate diversity, but the healthiest cultures are diverse.

Moving Forward
Work environments should avoid causing trauma, but shouldn’t be expected to heal past traumas - that’s not their purpose. While companies shouldn’t be responsible for “healing” employees, leaders can adopt a more trauma-informed approach to avoid causing additional harm. Broader social and political change is needed to address systemic issues, beyond what individual companies can accomplish.

The world, and its demographics, are shifting so quickly it would be a huge miss for companies not to be thinking about how their culture can reflect the broader universe or potential customers and users.

This isn’t about quotas or raising or lowering bars, it’s about capturing opportunity.

This was such an engaging and energizing conversation for both Y-conne and I. We hope you enjoy listening as much as we enjoyed recording it.

When you end an essay with a line like:

"Majoring in computer science today will be like majoring in journalism in the late 90’s.”

You’re bound to ruffle some feathers. In the case of Chris Paik’s “End of Software” essay, not only were feathers ruffled, but the entire farm was flustered. And then the pitchforks came out...

Given the violent response to the piece, both positive and negative, we approached Chris with the idea of adapting the Jimmy Kimmel “Mean Tweets” skit to address some of the critics and dive into the nuances of such a bombastic proclamation. What we ended up with was an incredible, and occasionally comical, deep dive into his thinking and observations around the innovation that’s emerging at the intersection of software development and Artificial Intelligence.

Some insights from this one —

• The cost of creating software is approaching zero, which will fundamentally change its nature. Software is shifting to a new phase where it will be created on-demand to serve a specific intent and then disappear. This is similar to how content creation and distribution costs went to zero with the internet, enabling ephemeral user-generated content.
• People are lazy and want software that routes them directly to what they want with minimal effort. Platform providers that can best deliver on user intent will monopolize the market, just as social media platforms monopolized attention.
• Solving the discovery and distribution challenges amidst this coming explosion of near-zero cost software will be the source of the biggest future opportunities and venture returns.
• While AI will make average software more accessible, it will also shift the curve to enable the creation of revolutionary new software that is better than what exists today.