
#32 - Climate Change I: Initial Thought-Crimes
10/06/21 • 51 min
After the immensely positive response to our previous episode on the Weinstein brothers - thanks @robertwiblin! - we thought we would keep giving the people what they want, and what they want is a long discussion on climate change. Specifically, the subject for today is: "The State of the Climate Debate". We touch on:
- The near perfect partisan split on climate change
- Will there be a climate apocalypse?
- The promise of nuclear energy as a solution
- The limitations of renewables
- Energy portfolios
- The rebound effect
- Degrowth economics
- Activist tactics and fear mongering
- Whether The Environment has become A Deity in environmentalist circles
We expect very little pushback on this episode.
References
- Apocalypse Never by Michael Shellenberger.
- Greta Thunberg encouraging you to panic
- Thunberg's double crossing of the Atlantic in sailboat
- The Rebound Effect
Quotes
But real climate solutions are ones that steer these interventions to systematically disperse and devolve power and control to the community level, whether through community-controlled renewable energy, local organic agriculture or transit systems genuinely accountable to their users.
Even if nuclear power were clean, safe, economic, assured of ample fuel, and socially benign, it would still be unattractive because of the political implications of the kind of energy economy it would lock us into.
-- Amory Lovins, quoted from Forbes piece by Michael Shellenberger
Send us panic-induced email at [email protected].
After the immensely positive response to our previous episode on the Weinstein brothers - thanks @robertwiblin! - we thought we would keep giving the people what they want, and what they want is a long discussion on climate change. Specifically, the subject for today is: "The State of the Climate Debate". We touch on:
- The near perfect partisan split on climate change
- Will there be a climate apocalypse?
- The promise of nuclear energy as a solution
- The limitations of renewables
- Energy portfolios
- The rebound effect
- Degrowth economics
- Activist tactics and fear mongering
- Whether The Environment has become A Deity in environmentalist circles
We expect very little pushback on this episode.
References
- Apocalypse Never by Michael Shellenberger.
- Greta Thunberg encouraging you to panic
- Thunberg's double crossing of the Atlantic in sailboat
- The Rebound Effect
Quotes
But real climate solutions are ones that steer these interventions to systematically disperse and devolve power and control to the community level, whether through community-controlled renewable energy, local organic agriculture or transit systems genuinely accountable to their users.
Even if nuclear power were clean, safe, economic, assured of ample fuel, and socially benign, it would still be unattractive because of the political implications of the kind of energy economy it would lock us into.
-- Amory Lovins, quoted from Forbes piece by Michael Shellenberger
Send us panic-induced email at [email protected].
Previous Episode

#31 - The Fall of the Weinstein Republic
Today we take your twitter questions before doing a deep dive into the Weinstein fiasco (Bret and Eric, not Harvey.) If you haven't heard of the Weinstein's before, then we suggest you run away before we drag you down into a rabbit hole filled with acronyms, anti-vaxxers, and theories of ... everything? anything? literally anything at all?
Topics we touch:
- We take your twitter questions!
- Filos with a weird one: I have a weird one that could be fun. It seems to me that the idea that we could upload our minds to a computer is nonsense. I agree with Kastrup that what we would upload is a description of our minds and a description of something is not that something. And it seems this desire to immortality is the nerd's reinvention of God via AGI, and heaven via uploading a mind to a silicon substrate. Where do you fall in this mind uploading fantasy? possible? Religious impulse? Reasonable?
- Dan would like us to talk about: The pervasive skepticism that seems to run through much the Popperian and Crit Rat communities regarding nonhuman animals’ capacity to suffer, particularly factory farmed animals.
- Karl is interested in: I'm interested in the meta-question of why that issue seems to split the community in two. Why hasn't one view become the dogmatic truth yet as it seems to have in most other communities?
- WTF is up with Bret and Eric Weinstein
- The allure of reflexive contrarianism
- The (horrible! awful! stop it!) tendency of academics to use convoluted language to impress their non-peers
- The notion of "secular gurus" and what distinguishes a secular guru from a person with a large platform
- And the special responsibility of researchers to communicate clearly.
References:
Animal Suffering
- Bruce Nielson's blog post on whether animals experience qualia, and his second on animal emotions. We mostly discuss the first.
Weinsteins
- Eric Weinstein's excellent first appearance on Sam Harris's podcast
- Geometric Unity website
- Geometric Unity pdf
- See Timothy Nguyen on the Wright Show and Decoding the Gurus for an excellent overview of the whole scandal
- ... and check out Timothy Nguyen on Eigenbros for a deep dive into the technical nitty-gritty
- Norbert Blum's original paper purporting to show that P is not equal to NP.
- A nice answer on Stack Exchange detailing why Blum's proof was wrong.
Quotes:
Every intellectual has a very special responsibility. He has the privilege and the opportunity of studying. In return, he owes it to his fellow men (or 'to society') to represent the results of his study as simply, clearly and modestly as he can. The worst thing that intellectuals can do - the cardinal sin - is to try to set themselves up as great prophets vis-à-vis their fellow men and to impress them with puzzling philosophies. Anyone who cannot speak simply and clearly should say nothing and continue to work until he can do so.
Karl Popper, Against Big Words
What would you say to your half million twitter followers who want to know your opinion on everything? Tell us at [email protected].
Next Episode

#33 (C&R Series, Ch. 3) - Instrumentalism and Essentialism
Galileo vs the church - whose side are you on? Today we discuss Chapter 3 of Conjectures and Refutations, Three Views Concerning Human Knowledge. This is a juicy one, as Popper manages to simultaneously attack both philosophers and physicists, as he takes on instrumentalism and essentialism, two alternatives to his 'conjecture and refutation' approach to knowledge. We discuss:
- The conflict between Galileo and the church
- What is instrumentalism, and how did it become popular?
- How instrumentalism is still in vogue in many physics departments
- The Problem of Universals
- The essentialist approach to science
- Stars, air, cells, and lightning
- "What is" vs "How does" questions
- The relationship between essentialism and language, and its influence on politics.
- Viewing words as instruments
See More:
- Instrumentalism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrumentalism
- Essentialism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essentialism
- The problem of universals: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_universals
Quotes:
Few if any of the physicists who have now accepted the instrumentalist view of Cardinal Bellarmino and Bishop Berkeley realize that they have accepted a philosophical theory. Nor do they realize that they have broken with the Galilean tradition. On the contrary, most of them think that they have kept clear of philosophy; and most of them no longer care anyway. What they now care about, as physicists, is (a) mastery of the mathematical formalism, i.e. of the instrument, and (b) its applications; and they care for nothing else.
-- C&R, Page 134
Thus my criticism of essentialism does not aim at establishing the non-existence of essences; it merely aims at showing the obscurantist character of the role played by the idea of essences in the Galilean philosophy of science (down to Maxwell, who was inclined to believe in them but whose work destroyed this belief). In other words my criticism tries to show that, whether essences exist or not, the belief in them does not help us in any way and indeed is likely to hamper us; so that there is no reason why the scientist should assume their existence.
-- C&R, Page 141.
But they are more than this, as can be seen from the fact that we submit them to severe tests by trying to deduce from them some of the regularities of the known world of common experience i.e. by trying to explain these regularities. And these attempts to explain the known by the unknown (as I have described them elsewhere) have immeasurably extended the realm of the known. They have added to the facts of our everyday world the invisible air, the antipodes, the circulation of the blood, the worlds of the telescope and the microscope, of electricity, and of tracer atoms showing us in detail the movements of matter within living bodies. All these things are far from being mere instruments: they are witness to the intellectual conquest of our world by our minds.
But there is another way of looking at these matters. For some, science is still nothing but glorified plumbing, glorified gadgetmaking—‘mechanics’; very useful, but a danger to true culture, threatening us with the domination of the near-illiterate (of Shakespeare’s ‘mechanicals’). It should never be mentioned in the same breath as literature or the arts or philosophy. Its professed discoveries are mere mechanical inventions, its theories are instruments—gadgets again, or perhaps super-gadgets. It cannot and does not reveal to us new worlds behind our everyday world of appearance; for the physical world is just surface: it has no depth. The world is just what it appears to be. Only the scientific theories are not what they appear to be. A scientific theory neither explains nor describes the world; it is nothing but an instrument.
-- C&R, Page 137-8.
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