
Erica Berry on the meaning of wolves
10/20/23 • 64 min
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The wolf carries an almost unbearable amount of symbolism in western culture, encapsulating the predatory, the carnal, the supernatural and the ravenous. But in her book Wolfish, Erica Berry suggests that it’s time to understand wolves differently: as tender, as hunted, as guardians of the landscape.
What’s more, those evil qualities may be better attributed to ourselves than to wolves. Berry weaves memoir with natural history, cultural critique, folklore and conservation to show that wolves have too often been a cypher for all our fears, and that this has left them under threat of extinction.
In this fascinating and wide-ranging conversation, recorded as part of Katherine’s True Stories Book Club, Erica discusses her experiences with wolves real and imagined.
Katherine's new book, Enchantment, is available now: US/CAN and UK
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- Erica’s website
- Erica’s book, Wolfish
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The wolf carries an almost unbearable amount of symbolism in western culture, encapsulating the predatory, the carnal, the supernatural and the ravenous. But in her book Wolfish, Erica Berry suggests that it’s time to understand wolves differently: as tender, as hunted, as guardians of the landscape.
What’s more, those evil qualities may be better attributed to ourselves than to wolves. Berry weaves memoir with natural history, cultural critique, folklore and conservation to show that wolves have too often been a cypher for all our fears, and that this has left them under threat of extinction.
In this fascinating and wide-ranging conversation, recorded as part of Katherine’s True Stories Book Club, Erica discusses her experiences with wolves real and imagined.
Katherine's new book, Enchantment, is available now: US/CAN and UK
Links from the episode:
- Erica’s website
- Erica’s book, Wolfish
- Join Katherine's Substack to receive episodes ad-free, extended intros and immersive, bonus mini-episdes
- Find show notes and transcripts for every episode by visiting Katherine's website.
- Follow Katherine on Instagram
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Katherine's new book, Enchantment, is available now: US/CAN and UK
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- Dacher’s website
- Dacher’s book, Awe: The New Science of Everyday Wonder and How It Can Transform Your Life
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Katherine's new book, Enchantment, is available now: US/CAN and UK
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- Kaitlin’s website
- Kaitlin’s book, Living Resistance
- Kaitlin's Instagram
- Join Katherine's Substack to receive episodes ad-free, extended intros and immersive, bonus mini-episdes
- Find show notes and transcripts for every episode by visiting Katherine's website.
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