Grimdark History
Jeremy Agnew
Exploring the intersection between history and popular fiction. If you've ever watched a historical movie, TV show, or read a piece of fiction that pulled into its story people, places, and times from our history and wondered "Was it really like that?" this is a podcast for you.
We explore the larger world during the time period, explore the context of the age, its people, places, societies with a grimdark tone and twist. And then compare and contrast the reality of the time period vs what we have on our piece of fiction being reviewed.
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The Ascension of Alexander the Great Part 5
Grimdark History
05/01/24 • 83 min
After the death of Darius III and Bessus, Alexander is without a doubt king of the former Persian Empire. He’s left staring at huge chunks of former Persian provinces now declared independence standing between him and mysterious India, birthplace of his distant half brother Dionysus and rumoured tomb of Hercules laying somewhere in foreboding mountains.
As Alexander begins the conquest of what is now modern-day Uzbekistan and Afghanistan but then Bactria and Sogdiana tensions that have been simmering since the start of the invasion begin to boil over to murderous levels of betrayal. Callisthenes, Cleitus the Black, Parmenion and Philotas all become victim to the cultural tensions tearing at the seems of Alexander’s unified forces. His Macedonian and Greek generals and court fear Alexander is rejecting what makes him Greek and a superior being, he’s making demands on them that he be worshipped like a god by them and his subjects. The king and general who so thoroughly embodied all that was greatest in Greek men is becoming Persian before their very eyes, and the results of bloody and create unreconcilable divisions.
In India the very gods themselves attempt to thwart Alexander’s progress by sending lightning bolts, floods, sickness, and monsoon rains to kill, weaken, and suck away the morale of Alexander’s already morale reduced forces and Alexander is forced to turn around and return to Babylon having only made it to the Hyphasis river in order to avoid a revolt by his army.
As Alexander returns to Babylon, not realizing death is only weeks away he allows those Greeks who want to retire or return to Greece to do so. Draining his treasury to pay off the debts of his forces, purchase more mercenaries, and buy loyalty he begins training and raising a brand new army as he plans to invade Arabia, only to be thwarted by his mysterious and sudden death.
Most people know about Dionysius the god of wine, and perhaps many will know of Dionysius the god of suffering and rebirth, but most do not know of Dionysius the human demi-god. We wrap out our episode exploring Dionysius the man who was Alexander’s distant half brother and what he had to do to achieve apotheosis to godhood and whether or not that may have had an influence on Alexander’s entire campaign.
Lastly, we wrap up our 5-part epic on Alexander the Great by exploring whether or not Alexander ever “wept when there were no more worlds to conquer.”
Did Alexander Weep when there were no more worlds left to conquer? Thanks to William Elder for his research.https://www.youtube.com/@williamelder6788
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlkWA-8r9Ro&t=319s
No More World to Conquer – Real Quotes From Made-up Sources
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Maccabean Revolt - Identity Politics in the Hasmonean Court
Grimdark History
06/01/24 • 85 min
Getting at the heart of the first Jewish Roman Revolt war in 66 CE has a long history attached to it. Working my way backwards through time using the works of Jewish Historian Flavius Josephus as my literary sources raised more questions than answers. I found myself tugging on the threads of history and going all the way back almost 200 years in time to Modin Mattathias and his 5 sons who triggered a popular revolt against their Seleucid overlords and changed the course of history forever.
Getting into the heart of this world, even understanding the time leading up to the event was itself a struggle. To help me untie the knot and understand the nuanced and complex world of Judea leading up to the time period known as the Maccabean Revolt, Dr. Boris Chrubasik, Associate Professor of Ancient History and Chair of the Dept. of Historical Studies at the University of Toronto joins me to help me understand this world rushing towards its independence.
The world of Judea leading up to the start of the revolt is a complex one where what it means to be Jewish is still being defined, and at times swallowed up by the influences of the Greek world on Judea, Jerusalem, and the surrounding lands. The nobility of Jerusalem, and in and amongst the countryside are divided on the influence of Greeks being a positive or negative on their people. Yet even as some of these groups try to figure out what it means to be Jewish in an increasingly Greek countryside, clashes of violence begin to flash across the land and threaten to plunge the Judean landscape into rebellion.
A movement and rejection of these things as a negative influence begins to form. Led ultimately by the sons of Mattathias, the Maccabee family walk a fine tight rope between politics, and outright war against the Seleucids, against Samaria, and against Edomia. Even as they outwardly navigate the world of larger, more powerful neighboring kingdoms like Egypt, the still forming nation of Judea begins to take shape as the internal culture clashes with the Judean countryside and internally with the Maccabean family tell a story of a not yet fully defined Jewish identity.
Join me as I discuss the land, the people, the culture, and political dynamics of the world Judea during the Maccabean Revolt with Prof. Chrubasik and come to see the re-forging of a Jewish identity as an independent Jerusalem takes shape as we uncover the all important context that will flow into the next episodes in this series.
Books written by guest Boris Chrubasik
- Hellenism and the Local Communities of the Eastern Mediterranean: 400 BCE-250 CE
- ISBN: 9780198805663
- Kings and Usurpers in the Seleukid Empire
- ISBN: 9780198786924
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The Ascension of Alexander the Great Part 3
Grimdark History
03/01/24 • 105 min
After the assassination of Philip, Alexander faced a demanding and tense succession crisis. Forced to kill of a rival heir, opposing generals, and then put down rebellions against Macedonian rule in Thrace and mainland Greece, Alexander spent the first two years of his reign consolidating his power and control over the kingdom and alliances his father had built.
The sack and destruction of Thebes was a message the reverberated around the Greek world and would leave no doubt in the minds of all Greeks that Alexander was the son of Philip and just as ruthless.
After the power struggles were resolved Alexander was finally able to follow the path laid out by his father and begin the invasion of the Persian Achaemenid Empire proper, only two years behind schedule. And yet the story of Alexander is not one that I'm telling through tales of battles and daring do. There are plenty of other podcasts out there that cover Issus, Granicus and others just fine. This podcast covers the people and interactions. The relationship between Greeks and Persians was complex, nuanced, and not nearly the Greek Good, Persian Bad that's reflected in popular fiction. Persia left Greek colonies to govern themselves and many of the conflicts that happened during the Greco-Persian wars were often the result of local governors and warlords allying with each other to attack other Greek or Persian areas of control, put down rebellions, or invade new lands.
Alexander's first major battle in Persia might have gone very differently if not for Persia recovering from recent palace coups and the need to show strength and stability in the empire. Had the kingship been more stable might the advice of a certain Greek general been followed to deny Alexander's army food and supplies in a scorched Earth policy rather than try and face them down in a decisive battle?
After Granicus Alexander begins attacking Persian port cities and comes across his first of many "impenetrable fortresses". And yet the critical need to remove the Phoenician naval from attacking Greek colonies back home left Alexander no choice but to invent some creative solutions to attacking an island fortress without a navy of his own.
Lastly in this episode we explore the surrender of Jerusalem as written by the historian Flavius Josephus who relates the Jewish account of the surrender of Jerusalem to Alexander and we get our first glimpses into Alexander's obsession and reverence for all things divine (Greek related or not).
With the first phase of Alexander's conquest completed we pause until next month where we begin a deeper exploration of religion, divinity, and Alexander by exploring his time in Egypt and Mesopotamia, and his consolidation of control over the Persian Empire.
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10/08/23 • 65 min
In celebration of reaching 1000 downloads on our podcast I wanted to engage with the fans of our season 1 topic (the fiction of Warhammer 40,000 and history). I also wanted to step away from the grimdark podcast tone for a couple of episodes and have a little fun.
To thank all the fans who have supported the podcast so far I anonymously reached out to the 40KLore sub-Reddit and just asked the question "Who's your favorite historical figure the Emperor of Mankind Might Have Been?" To help get the answers flowing in the post I suggested 4 significant historical figures with 2 suggestions being conquerors and empire builders and 2 suggestions being more philosophical and softer thinking influences.
With over 350 responses to the question I took the top responses from the fans, put it into an online poll, and again engaged with everyone on Discord, Twitter, and the various Warhammer 40K subreddits asking people to now vote from the list of historical figures they suggested, "who did they feel was most likely to have been the Emperor of Mankind?"
Joining me as we go through the Top 10 list as chosen by you, the fans of 40K lore, is Laura Whitehead co-host and co-creator of the Chaos Divided podcast which discuss all things 40K with a light hearted and wholesome tone that will leave you smiling after every episode. Please check out their podcast everywhere you get your pods https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/chaos-divided-warhammer-40k-podcast/id1686139450
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The First Jewish–Roman War
Grimdark History
09/01/24 • 103 min
In 66 CE a nobody, and minor priest by the name of Eleazar stood up to the oppression of Rome and declared “No more” in the bloodiest way imaginable. Sending a message to Rome that would have devastating effects on the nation of people who lived in Judea.
Yoseph ben Matityahu (better known to us as Flavius Josephus) is likewise a minor priest, but of noble birth. Sent to defend the northern borders of Judea against Roman reprisals. He thinks he’s going there to set up defenses but finds himself caught up in a civil war amongst his own people while facing off against the might of Roman legions and future emperor Vespasian.
Caught up in the siege of Jotapata (Yodfat), Joseph and Vespasian face off in a 2-month long siege culminating in one of the most controversial moments in Jewish history.
Yoseph, now a slave to Vespasian is forced to witness the destruction of the Jewish countryside as Roman forces obliterate rebel and civilian forces with equal vigor and dispassion, and yet the land of Judea is not so filled with the resistance Roman forces expected. Coming across the river Jordon already so full of bodies the current of Jordan carries them down to the Dead Sea. A Telling tale of a darker, internal conflict amongst the rebel leaders simultaneously fighting a civil war and war against Rome.
Those who fight a war on two fronts often find themselves unable to win either. As Rome closes in on Jerusalem a stranglehold on the city yields starvation, atrocities, and more internal fighting amongst the rebels. The inevitable grind of the Roman legions can only end in one result so significant it marks the end of an entire period of history known as the Second Temple Period.
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The Story of Copper Age Otsi
Grimdark History
05/16/23 • 48 min
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What Is This About?
Grimdark History
05/15/23 • 6 min
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10,000 Download Year in Review
Grimdark History
05/09/24 • 14 min
Having just broken 10,000 downloads after only a year in running I thought it appropriate to mark the moment with a thank you episode. Since this milestone happened to coincide with almost exactly 1 year to the day of launching the podcast I thought I would commemorate the moment with a year in review of what was looked at, why we looked at it. Next up looking at the last two topics for Season 1 and what's coming up for Season 2 of the Grimdark History.
Thank you so much for everyone who's been enjoying the show and giving it a listen.
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The Ascension of Alexander the Great Part 4
Grimdark History
04/01/24 • 59 min
After the Battle of Issus Alexander conquered the bread basket of the Persian Empire (Egypt). Founding the city of Alexandria, and one of the Wonders of the Ancient World (the lighthouse of Alexandria, or the Pharos as it was known). While in Egypt Alexander got his first taste of what it was like to be worshiped and acknowledged as a god.
After receiving some miraculously huge and clear salt crystals Alexander visits the Oracle of Zeus-Ammon in the Siwa Oasis receiving either acknowledgement of his divinity or possibly humoring an Egyptian not quite fluent in Greek language.
Two years after Issus Alexander leaves Egypt to continue his conquest of Persia besting Darius III again in battle, this time at Gaugamela before enjoying a moment in one of the greatest cities of antiquity (Babylon) and exploring a strange and mysterious liquid to Greeks that can catch fire which the Babylonians have knowledge of.
Finally Alexander continues his hot pursuit of Darius III eager to put the nail in the coffin on the Persian Empire and pauses long enough at one of the great Persian palaces at Persepolis to inexpliciably burn it to the ground before chasing down Darius and crushing the last of the Persian Empire resistance in the form of Besus. We pause for a moment to explore the complex memories of Alexander's legacy to Persians as both destroyer and enlightened king through the Persian epic poem the Shahnameh.
We're ripe for one final episode exploring Alexander's conquests in Asia and finally his death and legacy
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Messiahs, Romans, and Fires, Oh My
Grimdark History
08/01/24 • 71 min
“What Caesar wants, Caesar gets”. Famous words that would change history forever in 66 CE.
Since the start of Roman intervention (and then later rule) in Judea there’s been a sense of unfinished business so to speak. The culture shocks that have been happening over the last 200 years still have not fully resolved themselves. Those events that had taken the form of violence against some communities, rejection of the authority of the Sanhedrin, rejection of foreign goods, culture and ways of doing things, and a general inward turning culture has been forced open by the presence of Rome.
The great Republic and now Empire still defining itself, the role of Caesar and what it means to be ruled by Rome is itself in the midst of culture shocks. Recovering from the civil wars of first Caesar and Pompey, and later Octavian and Antony and Cleopatra; Rome is trying to figure out how the Senate and a succession of Caesars can share power (or at least pretend to).
Herod the Great who first backed Antony in the failed civil war hopes that a huge bribe and successive acts of contrition to Octavian (the new Caesar and now, Augustus) will save both his skin and his kingdom from the ravaging of the legions that had scoured Gaul and shattered the Carthaginians and Egyptians. His plan pays off; but Herod continues a policy of peacefully embracing Rome to keep the legions at bay. Building temples, baths, raising statues, embracing Roman art, even naming cities after Caesar. These are all attempts to show Rome Judea can be a peaceful part of the still forming Empire. No legions are needed here.
Herod’s embracing of Roman culture, and later the light presence of direct Roman authority wasn’t helping ease those unresolved issues. Judea itself was still recovering from generations of civil wars. Unresolved social issues, the generational trauma of having your city destroyed, or forced conversion to the Jewish religion are still in recent living memory. On top of all this, living the pure life, or the way God intended still hasn’t finished defining itself to the satisfaction of several thousands of the population.
The generational trauma, the sense that no one is following the laws of God, the insanity of allowing a foreign power to rule a country that had so recently won its independence from another power rival to Rome; these are things driving a feeling that the end is neigh. That the world should come to an end. Messianic figures come out of the countryside. No less that two Jesus’ and one Egyptian all show up with thousands of disciples to claim the mantle of Christos and free the people. Rome crushes them all.
After that famous fire of Rome in 64 CE Nero takes a personal interest in the fabulously wealthy Judea. Personally appointing a friend of the family as the new governor, Gessius Florus has only one job, extract wealth in order to pay for the rebuilding of Rome. What Nero wants, Nero gets and no less than two years later the first Jewish Roman war begins in the form of a Jewish revolt led in part by a man named Yosef, but who history remembers better as Flavius Josephus.
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How many episodes does Grimdark History have?
Grimdark History currently has 26 episodes available.
What topics does Grimdark History cover?
The podcast is about Empire, History, Podcasts and Ancient History.
What is the most popular episode on Grimdark History?
The episode title 'Maccabean Revolt - Identity Politics in the Hasmonean Court' is the most popular.
What is the average episode length on Grimdark History?
The average episode length on Grimdark History is 72 minutes.
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Episodes of Grimdark History are typically released every 29 days.
When was the first episode of Grimdark History?
The first episode of Grimdark History was released on May 15, 2023.
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