
Hitting our limits: the climate and COP29
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11/13/24 • 34 min
The United Nations climate change negotiations are skirting around the critical issue of phasing out fossil fuels and are in desperate need of reform, says Sandrine Dixson-Declève.
On this episode of Follow the Money, Sandrine Dixson-Declève, Co-President of the Club of Rome, joins Ebony Bennett to discuss phasing out fossil fuels, the false narratives being peddled about the green transition, and why addressing inequality is fundamental to tackling the climate crisis.
This discussion was recorded on Thursday 24 October 2024 and things may have changed since recording.
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Guest: Sandrine Dixson-Declève, Co-President of the Club of Rome // @SDDecleve
Host: Ebony Bennett, Deputy Director, the Australia Institute // @ebony_bennett
Host: Alice Grundy, Research Manager, Anne Kantor Fellows, the Australia Institute // @alicekgt
Show notes:
Earth for All – A Survival Guide for Humanity, The Club of Rome (2022)
The Limits to Growth, The Club of Rome (1972)
‘COP28 did not deliver. We need better global governance and brave leadership’ by Sandrine Dixson-Declève, Reuters (December 2023)
Fossil fuel subsidies in Australia 2024, The Australia Institute (May 2024)
Theme music: Pulse and Thrum; additional music by Blue Dot Sessions
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The United Nations climate change negotiations are skirting around the critical issue of phasing out fossil fuels and are in desperate need of reform, says Sandrine Dixson-Declève.
On this episode of Follow the Money, Sandrine Dixson-Declève, Co-President of the Club of Rome, joins Ebony Bennett to discuss phasing out fossil fuels, the false narratives being peddled about the green transition, and why addressing inequality is fundamental to tackling the climate crisis.
This discussion was recorded on Thursday 24 October 2024 and things may have changed since recording.
Pre-order What's the Big Idea? 32 Big Ideas for a Better Australia now, via the Australia Institute website.
australiainstitute.org.au // @theausinstitute
Guest: Sandrine Dixson-Declève, Co-President of the Club of Rome // @SDDecleve
Host: Ebony Bennett, Deputy Director, the Australia Institute // @ebony_bennett
Host: Alice Grundy, Research Manager, Anne Kantor Fellows, the Australia Institute // @alicekgt
Show notes:
Earth for All – A Survival Guide for Humanity, The Club of Rome (2022)
The Limits to Growth, The Club of Rome (1972)
‘COP28 did not deliver. We need better global governance and brave leadership’ by Sandrine Dixson-Declève, Reuters (December 2023)
Fossil fuel subsidies in Australia 2024, The Australia Institute (May 2024)
Theme music: Pulse and Thrum; additional music by Blue Dot Sessions
We’d love to hear your feedback on this series, so send in your questions, comments or suggestions for future episodes to [email protected].
Support Follow the Money: https://nb.australiainstitute.org.au/donate
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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This discussion was recorded on Wednesday 13 November 2024 and things may have changed since recording.
Pre-order What's the Big Idea? 32 Big Ideas for a Better Australia now, via the Australia Institute website.
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Guest: Stephen Long, Senior Fellow and Contributing Editor, the Australia Institute // @StephenLongAus
Host: Alice Grundy, Research Manager, Anne Kantor Fellows, the Australia Institute // @alicektg
Show notes:
Premium price: The impact of climate change on insurance costs, the Australia Institute (November 2024)
Theme music: Pulse and Thrum; additional music by Blue Dot Sessions
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