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First Funders - 08 Takeaways: Charles Hudson, Precursor Ventures: macro, team vs market, fund size vs. outcomes

08 Takeaways: Charles Hudson, Precursor Ventures: macro, team vs market, fund size vs. outcomes

07/09/24 • 20 min

First Funders

Join Shaherose & Aamir as we reflect on our conversation with Charles Hudson of Precursor Ventures.

Highlights:

  • Don’t forget the macro: Government regulations can lead to massive opportunities or failures. We discuss case studies of companies like Samsara, Movtive (fka KeepTrucking), Republic, and Zum, showing how regulatory shifts led to category-creating opportunities. Charles’ worst investment was wiped out due to changes in government regulation.
  • Team vs market: We discussed the interplay between having the right team, idea, and timing for startup success. Charles evaluates opportunities 70% team and 30% idea. Both Aamir and I take a more balanced approach than Charles does.
  • Fund size vs. outcomes: Reflecting on the past learning, "Your fund size is your strategy." We wonder what role that played in Charles’ decision to invest in the Athletic, later acquired by the NY Times for $550M.

Links:

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Disclaimer: This is for information purposes only. This is not investment advice.

  • (00:00) - Introduction and Format Change
  • (00:39) - The macro matters
  • (03:40) - Learning from past investments while staying open minded, what about bias?
  • (04:12) - Team vs. Market
  • (10:36) - Fund size vs outcomes
  • (16:17) - Investors don't know it all
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Join Shaherose & Aamir as we reflect on our conversation with Charles Hudson of Precursor Ventures.

Highlights:

  • Don’t forget the macro: Government regulations can lead to massive opportunities or failures. We discuss case studies of companies like Samsara, Movtive (fka KeepTrucking), Republic, and Zum, showing how regulatory shifts led to category-creating opportunities. Charles’ worst investment was wiped out due to changes in government regulation.
  • Team vs market: We discussed the interplay between having the right team, idea, and timing for startup success. Charles evaluates opportunities 70% team and 30% idea. Both Aamir and I take a more balanced approach than Charles does.
  • Fund size vs. outcomes: Reflecting on the past learning, "Your fund size is your strategy." We wonder what role that played in Charles’ decision to invest in the Athletic, later acquired by the NY Times for $550M.

Links:

Connect with Us:

Disclaimer: This is for information purposes only. This is not investment advice.

  • (00:00) - Introduction and Format Change
  • (00:39) - The macro matters
  • (03:40) - Learning from past investments while staying open minded, what about bias?
  • (04:12) - Team vs. Market
  • (10:36) - Fund size vs outcomes
  • (16:17) - Investors don't know it all

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undefined - 08: From the CIA to Google to 400+ pre-seed investments, first and early to define pre-seed - Charles Hudson, Precursor

08: From the CIA to Google to 400+ pre-seed investments, first and early to define pre-seed - Charles Hudson, Precursor

Hailing from Michigan, Charles developed an early obsession with the public markets in high school. Charles Hudson is now the Managing Partner at Precursor Ventures, a pre-seed venture fund that has defined and has become synonymous with “pre-seed”. Charles is known for his ability to identify and mentor early-stage companies that have the potential to disrupt their industries - first and early - including companies like the Athletic (acquired by the NY Times for $550M), Bobbie (recently raised a $70M Series C), Carrot Fertility (recently raised $75M Series C) and Pair Eyewear (recently raised $75M Series C).

Charles writes checks of $250k - $500k at Pre-seed and Seed. He is a Generalist with a focus on digital health, media, and software.

Highlights:

  • The boomerang back to VC: Charles shares his unique path from Michigan to Silicon Valley, starting in VC, then moving to Google and various startups before returning to VC.
  • Founding Precursor Ventures: Charles spotted an opportunity to invest in non-obvious founders pre-product and pre-revenue while other firms moved upstream in 2015. This made him one of the first in a second wave of pre-seed firms to launch, and 10 years later, he’s become the go-to first funder.
  • Evaluating Founders vs. Ideas: Charles is a founder-first investor (founder 70%, idea 30%). He shares his criteria for assessing talent and reveals indicators of success that have generated alpha in his portfolio.
  • Investment Strategy over Trends: Even in the face of trends like crypto, AI, and the economic downturn, Charles stays steady and focused on people and his definition of pre-seed, not morphing with industry shifts.

Links:
Follow Charles Hudson on Twitter: @chudson
Read Charles’ blog on Substack
Learn more about Precursor Ventures: Precursor Ventures
Connect with Charles Hudson on LinkedIn: Charles Hudson

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Disclaimer: This is for information purposes only. This is not investment advice.

  • (00:00) - Intro
  • (00:52) - Early Days and Building Community
  • (03:09) - Interning at Smith Barney to the CIA's Venture firm
  • (08:59) - Embracing Risk and Independent Thinking defines a solo GP
  • (11:05) - Operating Experience As Product Manager, then Business Development at Google and a Return to VC
  • (16:50) - Charles' first role as an advisor surprisingly had a $300M acquisition by Paypal
  • (19:55) - Joining Softech (now Uncorked) in 2010 when Seed investors were known as Super Angels
  • (21:10) - Launching Precursor to fill the gap created by Super Angel Funds going upstream and defining a new category - "pre-seed"
  • (23:50) - First Investments: the role of macro tailwinds and headwinds
  • (27:57) - Evaluating Founders 70% and Ideas 30%
  • (31:03) - The Role of Business Model Innovation in Generating Alpha
  • (33:25) - Learning from Challenging Investments: If you don't know its ok, but say something
  • (38:01) - Staying True to Your Investment Strategy
  • (40:44) - Charles' best investment: The Athletic, acquired by the New York Times for $525M
  • (45:55) - How he Decides: Evaluating Founders and Their Potential, Weird Patterns, Product Velocity, Remote Teams
  • (51:38) - Current Investment Strategies, Focus Areas and Check Sizes
  • (53:25) - Following High-Potential Talent vs. Investing Theses: People vs. Market vs. Product Evaluations
  • (57:00) - Speed Round

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undefined - 09: Angels of Shopify investing collectively and lessons on following your gut - Atlee Clark, Angel

09: Angels of Shopify investing collectively and lessons on following your gut - Atlee Clark, Angel

What do you get when you mix U.S. national security, angel investing, and kids’ pajamas? Atlee Clark. Proud Canadian Atlee took a hard pivot from the public sector to the tech world, first through a nonprofit called the C100, which supports entrepreneurs, and later at Shopify, focusing on 0 - 1 initiatives. Similar to other angel collectives emerging at the time like Hashtag Angels and Operator Collective, Atlee tapped into her executive network at Shopify to connect with other female leaders who were looking to invest on the side.

What began as informal conversations about investing and advising after the working day coalesced into Backbone Angels, a collection of executive tech women sourcing angel opportunities collectively and making investments individually. Backbone was started in 2021 and has amassed a portfolio of over 40 early-stage startups, including Bird&Be, 1Password, and Blume.

Atlee tells us what it’s like to balance functioning as a cohesive unit while making individual investment decisions. Plus, we get to hear about her journey as a small business owner and what motivates her to invest in what she wants to see in the world.

Atlee writes angel checks of $10k to $20k, ideally at the friends and family round or at pre-seed, focusing on startups that address challenges for parents, small business owners, and Big Tech execs—three areas she intimately understands as the end user. Backbone Angels focuses on companies led by Black, Indigenous, and Women-led startups.

Highlights:

  • Atlee hopped on a one-way plane to San Francisco and left her U.S. national security gig in Washington, D.C., behind to head up a nonprofit organization supporting Bay Area Canadian tech entrepreneurs (and she’d never even worked in tech!)
  • She met early Shopify execs who convinced her to come work for the company doing developer relations and the app ecosystem. Casual conversations about investing and advising with her peers led to the creation of Backbone Angels.
  • Atlee prefers to follow her own intuition with early-stage investing, but she does have a tried-and-true framework for determining if a deal is right for her. She shares her tips for working as a collective and the reason she believes you should never overthink a “no.”
  • Angel investing is a side hustle for Atlee (Remember, she’s also a Shopify exec, small business owner, and mom), and she prefers it because it fulfills her in a way that going full-time wouldn’t.

Resource:
Want to Angel invest with other operators and learn from the team at Hustle Fund? Check out Angel Squad and resources created by Brian Nichols

  • (00:00) - Atlee Clark, Angel: Canadians breaking into tech and now investing with intuition and purpose
  • (01:33) - Building an ecosystem for Canadian tech founders: the story of becoming the first CEO of the C100
  • (06:38) - Meeting Tobi Luke and joining Shopify: a new adventure pre IPO
  • (09:34) - Founding Backbone Angels: a collective of senior leaders at Shopify coming together to write checks
  • (15:27) - First Investment: The power of patience and a developing a personal investment thesis
  • (23:21) - Worst Investment: Trust your gut and staying patient
  • (29:20) - The art of feeling a "no"
  • (30:54) - Best Investment: Highlighting Top Performers Calico and MIrza
  • (32:59) - Resilience in Founders: Overcoming Challenges
  • (34:15) - Current Investment Strategy: Today's Focus
  • (38:21) - Sourcing Deals: Networking and Connections
  • (44:46) - Lightning Round ⚡

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