
Heavy by Kiese Laymon with Amy Pence-Brown
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09/03/20 • 70 min
Amy Pence-Brown is a legend. She has been doing body liberation work for over a decade and I feel so honoured to welcome her to show. As you will hear, she loves books and we decided to chat about a juicy one - Heavy by Kiese Laymon. Join us as we dive deep into Kiese's story. Some of our discussion topics included:
- Amy's story
- How the term body positive has changed the body image game
- How hard things have fuelled Amy's fire
- How books have helped her in her journey and how she is passing that along in the book clubs she runs
- Healthism and how it damages fat acceptance
- Why Heavy is an important work even though it is not body positive
- The intersectionality between race and body image
- Dealing with trauma as a weight loss plan
- The multiple meaning behind the title
- Why white people need to read this book
- Kiese Laymon's relationship with his mother
- Body positivity as a point on the body liberation spectrum
Resources
Amy Pence-Brown is a legend. She has been doing body liberation work for over a decade and I feel so honoured to welcome her to show. As you will hear, she loves books and we decided to chat about a juicy one - Heavy by Kiese Laymon. Join us as we dive deep into Kiese's story. Some of our discussion topics included:
- Amy's story
- How the term body positive has changed the body image game
- How hard things have fuelled Amy's fire
- How books have helped her in her journey and how she is passing that along in the book clubs she runs
- Healthism and how it damages fat acceptance
- Why Heavy is an important work even though it is not body positive
- The intersectionality between race and body image
- Dealing with trauma as a weight loss plan
- The multiple meaning behind the title
- Why white people need to read this book
- Kiese Laymon's relationship with his mother
- Body positivity as a point on the body liberation spectrum
Resources
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Fearing the Black Body by Sabrina Strings with Natasha Ngindi
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- Our desire to be loved and how that perpetuates the objectification of women
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