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Evolving Prisons

Evolving Prisons

Kaigan Carrie

An award-nominated podcast with a particular focus on prison. Featuring stories from people who've been to prison, those who work there and experts to show the human behind the crime or uniform, and the realities of life in prisons around the world. Hosted by Kaigan Carrie, doctoral researcher in prison officer culture and wellbeing. Subscribe to monthly bonus episodes of Evolving Prisons: https://evolvingprisons.captivate.fm/support
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Goodpods has curated a list of the 10 best Evolving Prisons episodes, ranked by the number of listens and likes each episode have garnered from our listeners. If you are listening to Evolving Prisons for the first time, there's no better place to start than with one of these standout episodes. If you are a fan of the show, vote for your favorite Evolving Prisons episode by adding your comments to the episode page.

Evolving Prisons - Mental health struggles of a prison officer
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12/05/23 • 49 min

Alex McClintock was a prison officer at HMP Perth in Scotland for 19 years and he featured on Channel 4's Banged Up. Alex shares how his mental health declined to the point he had a breakdown and intended to take his own life. He tells us how his PTSD manifests itself, we discuss how prison officers can look after their wellbeing and we chat about the Banged Up TV show experience.

One bonus episode of Evolving Prisons is also released each month. You can subscribe to listen to the monthly bonus episodes for £2.99 here.

Evolving Prisons links

LinkedIn: kaigancarrie

Instagram: @evolvingprisons

Website: evolvingprisons.com

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Clare Pearson spent almost 22 years working in prisons in England. She governed 4 public prisons and was the director of a private prison. Clare also appeared as the governor on Channel 4's TV series 'Banged Up'. We chat about the difference between working in a male and female prison and how Clare's leadership style varied across each, the time a prisoner assaulted her and she required surgery for a double jaw fracture, and how close to real prison life the Banged Up TV show was.

One bonus episode of Evolving Prisons is also released each month. You can subscribe to listen to the monthly bonus episodes for £2.99 here.

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LinkedIn: kaigancarrie

Instagram: @evolvingprisons

Website: evolvingprisons.com

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Professor Francis Pakes has spent the last decade researching prisons in some Nordic countries, including Iceland. He spent a week as a quasi-prisoner in two open prisons there to better understand life in prison in Iceland. We discuss how he felt going into prison, some of the experiences he had as a quasi-prisoner there and how vastly different the culture inside prison is in Iceland, where prison officers would sometimes bring their dogs or children to work.

One bonus episode of Evolving Prisons is released every month and these episodes don't appear on the main page. You can subscribe to listen to these bonus episodes for £2.99 a month ⁠here⁠.

Evolving Prisons links

LinkedIn: kaigancarrie

Instagram: @evolvingprisons

Website: evolvingprisons.com

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Evolving Prisons - A mother's fight for fair sentencing
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09/12/23 • 34 min

Jackie Dunn's son Lucas began an 18 year prison sentence in March 2022 for DUI manslaughter in Florida, USA. Jackie and I discuss the circumstances surrounding his conviction, whether him doing an 18 year sentence is really better for society than him doing the alternative which was a 10 year sentence with a lifetime of educating about the dangers of DUIs, how two people can commit very similar crimes but get very different prison sentences and how somebody can get a 30 year prison sentence for stealing DVDs.

Jackie's non-profit, Data4Change

Evolving Prisons links

LinkedIn: kaigancarrie

Instagram: @evolvingprisons

Website: evolvingprisons.com

Or you can email me at [email protected]

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Dom Kelly is a former prison officer within Northern Ireland and now works in forensic psychology services within the same service. He shares his experiences of working with political and sexual offenders, and details the stark differences between working with these two groups. We also discuss the dangers prison officers have faced in Northern Ireland over the years. Dom has also been involved in prison research for more than 10 years and shares some of his research into prison officer wellbeing and boundary violations between prison officers and prisoners.

Evolving Prisons links

Instagram: @evolvingprisons

LinkedIn: kaigancarrie

Website: evolvingprisons.com

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Evolving Prisons - The case of Lucy Letby

The case of Lucy Letby

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08/22/23 • 38 min

Lucy Letby, age 33, was convicted last week of murdering 7 babies and attempting to murder 6 more while working as a nurse on the Neonatal Unit at the Countess of Chester Hospital in England. I sat down with one of the UK's most respected forensic psychologists, Dr Naomi Murphy, who has 25 years experience working with violent and sexually violent offenders, to ask some questions like:

  • How can a cold, callous killer also be described by some as gentle, kind and timid?
  • What could her motive have been?
  • How do prison staff manage to separate their potential personal feelings about Lucy Letby from their professional duty to care for her and protect her?
  • Can somebody like Lucy Letby ever be rehabilitated?

One bonus episode of Evolving Prisons is released every month and these episodes don't appear on the main page. You can subscribe to listen to these bonus episodes for £2.99 a month ⁠here⁠.

Dr Murphy's links

Locked Up Living podcast

Octopus Psychology

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Evolving Prisons - Imprisoned for shooting my sister's ex-boyfriend
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08/15/23 • 50 min

Joshua Holi went to prison in the United States for attempted murder after shooting his sister's ex-boyfriend. We discuss how Joshua began a life of drug dealing after getting a $700 fine, spending 13 months on the run after shooting his sister's ex-boyfriend and his time in prison. Through Joshua's warm and positive energy, this conversation challenges preconceived notions about people who have committed crime.

Connect with Joshua on instagram: @know_vember

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Evolving Prisons - Conspiracy to supply and relationships in prison
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07/18/23 • 48 min

Louise Ashton spent five years in prisons in England for conspiracy to supply Class A drugs. She shares her story of how she met and married a man involved in drug dealing, before she was arrested. She discusses her time in prison, maintaining contact with her incarcerated husband, and the prevalence of inappropriate relationships between prison officers and prisoners. Louise highlights the importance of education for prisoners and the impact of the Proceeds of Crime Act now she is out of prison. She also shares her efforts to discourage young people in Liverpool, UK, from romanticising prison.

Timestamps

[01:27] How Louise came to be charged with conspiracy to supply Class A drugs

[09:35] Louise was arrested but her ex-husband fled the country

[10:40] Maintaining her relationship with her ex-husband while they were both in prison

[14:45] How Louise felt being sentenced to 10 years in prison

[19:24] What prison was like

[23:11] Prison wealth disparities

[29:19] Relationships between prison officers and prisoners

[37:06] The Proceeds of Crime Act

[44:44] What Louise thinks we need to change to make prisons a

place of growth

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The views and opinions of the guests on the Evolving Prisons podcast are not the views of opinions of the host.

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Evolving Prisons - Exploring the IPP prisoner scandal
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07/04/23 • 40 min

Imprisonment for Public Protection (IPP) sentences were implemented in England and Wales in 2005 to detain offenders who posed a very serious risk to the public, but many non-violent offenders have also been given this sentence. Despite the abolition of the IPP sentence in 2012, there are still nearly 3,000 people in prison on IPP sentences today without a release date. We explore the psychological impact of these sentences on prisoners and their families, the ability to recall IPP prisoners back to prison without them committing another crime, and the on-going parliamentary discussions on how to address the situation. Tune in to gain insight into this controversial aspect of the British justice system. In this episode, Kaigan is joined by Sam Asumadu, a journalist and former documentary film-maker.

Timestamps

[02:14] What is an IPP sentence and why is it used?

[04:58] Why were people who were convicted of minor offences given this sentence?

[07:15] Why IPP prisoners are being sent back to prison without being convicted of a further crime

[13:44] The psychological impacts of IPP sentences and how this impacts parole

[25:16] How someone convicted of murder can be released from prison earlier than someone who stole a mobile phone

[27:07] Government’s plan to deal with IPP prisoners

[32:02] What happens to IPP prisoners whose mental health has suffered to the point they aren’t safe in the community?

You can listen to Sam's podcast on IPP sentences here

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Instagram: @evolvingprisons

Linkedin: kaigancarrie

The views and opinions of the guests on the Evolving Prisons podcast are not the views or opinions of the host.

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Evolving Prisons - Having a son in prison

Having a son in prison

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10/11/22 • 46 min

Jolyn Armstrong was living a happy life with her husband and spending a lot of her time travelling, as she was able to work on her business from anywhere. Jolyn’s life dramatically changed when she got a phone call from her son to say he had been arrested and was facing life in prison. Jolyn speaks about navigating the criminal justice system, how she dealt with changing relationships when her son was incarcerated, the stigma attached to having a loved one in prison, and support groups available for families of people in prison. We also discuss Jolyn's book 'Trauma Recovery'.

Jolyn's link

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Please note that the views and opinions expressed by all guests on the Evolving Prisons podcast are not the views or opinions of the host.

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FAQ

How many episodes does Evolving Prisons have?

Evolving Prisons currently has 87 episodes available.

What topics does Evolving Prisons cover?

The podcast is about Podcasts and True Crime.

What is the most popular episode on Evolving Prisons?

The episode title 'Female leadership in prison, assault and the Banged Up experience' is the most popular.

What is the average episode length on Evolving Prisons?

The average episode length on Evolving Prisons is 45 minutes.

How often are episodes of Evolving Prisons released?

Episodes of Evolving Prisons are typically released every 13 days, 21 hours.

When was the first episode of Evolving Prisons?

The first episode of Evolving Prisons was released on Nov 22, 2021.

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