Bozoma Saint John: Everything Can Be True at Once
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11/28/23 • 53 min
Bozoma Saint John is a successful marketing executive, but she is also a woman who knows the rollercoaster of profound love and deep loss. She shares her hard-won wisdom and complicated grief as she faced her husband’s terminal cancer diagnosis.
In this conversation, Kate and Bozoma:
- Give us permission to tell the whole truth (even when it isn’t a neat)
- Speak honestly about the complicated realities of caregiving
- Discuss how our roles change within families from daughter to parent or spouse to caregiver
- Describe anticipatory grief
CW: adult language, death of a child during pregnancy, death of a spouse
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Watch clips from this conversation, read the full transcript, and access discussion questions by clicking here.
Follow Kate on Instagram, Facebook, or X (formerly known as Twitter)—@katecbowler.
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Bozoma Saint John is a successful marketing executive, but she is also a woman who knows the rollercoaster of profound love and deep loss. She shares her hard-won wisdom and complicated grief as she faced her husband’s terminal cancer diagnosis.
In this conversation, Kate and Bozoma:
- Give us permission to tell the whole truth (even when it isn’t a neat)
- Speak honestly about the complicated realities of caregiving
- Discuss how our roles change within families from daughter to parent or spouse to caregiver
- Describe anticipatory grief
CW: adult language, death of a child during pregnancy, death of a spouse
Everything Happens is brought to you by Cologuard®. Are you 45 or older? Start screening for colon cancer with Cologuard, an effective and noninvasive screening option for adults 45 and older at average risk for colon cancer. Rx only. Learn more at Cologuard.com/everything
Watch clips from this conversation, read the full transcript, and access discussion questions by clicking here.
Follow Kate on Instagram, Facebook, or X (formerly known as Twitter)—@katecbowler.
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Watch clips from this conversation, read the full transcript, and access discussion questions by clicking here.
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Everything Happens is brought to you by Cologuard®. Are you 45 or older? Start screening for colon cancer with Cologuard, an effective and noninvasive screening option for adults 45 and older at average risk for colon cancer. Rx only. Learn more at Cologuard.com/everything
Watch clips from this conversation, read the full transcript, and access discussion questions by clicking here.
Follow Kate on Instagram, Facebook, or X (formerly known as Twitter)—@katecbowler.
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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