
Ep. 337 The Hospice Doctor’s Widow: A Caregiver’s Journal with Jennifer O’Brien
02/07/22 • 56 min
Learn about a beautiful, artistic journal that explores the caregiver’s journey through dying and grief.
My guest this week is Jennifer O’Brien, author of the creative, gorgeous journal: The Hospice Doctor’s Widow. She discusses her journey as she cared for her husband who was a hospice and palliative care physician diagnosed with stage 4 cancer. We talk about grief and loss and caregiving in this intimate conversation. Learn more at her website:
This episode includes:
- Why this book is ideal for caregivers and people dealing with grief
- How Jennifer created the art for the book
- How Jennifer incorporated her husband’s wisdom into the book
- What is “Precious Time” and how did that inform the way she and Bob spent his last days of life together
- Navigating anticipatory grief for caregivers
- Why the patient and the caregiver are going through two different processes
- Why the survivors’ journey can be more difficult than the patient’s journey
- What is the Triad of Certainty
- Advice for caregivers
- The At Peace Toolkit – A Guide to Being at Peace with End of Life
‘Precious Time’ is when you say what you need to say and don’t say what you will later regret.”
from The Hospice Doctor’s Widow by Jennifer O’BrienLinks mentioned in this episode:
- A Year of Reading Dangerously – Register here
- Get the At Peace Toolkit from Jennifer here
- Leave me a message by email: [email protected], Twitter, Facebook or Instagram
- Support your local bookstore by buying my books on Bookshop and Indiebound:7 Lessons for Living from the Dying and The Journey from Ego to Soul
- Subscribe to this podcast on Apple, Google, Spotify, iHeart Radio, Stitcher Radio
- Check out the Series I’ve recorded in the past here
- Join the team at Patreon.com/eolu and get access to the EOLU mug: “Mind if we talk about death?” (only Patrons can purchase it). PLUS get our new bonuses: the monthly EOL News Update, movie reviews from 2 Doctors and a Movie, and automatic access to A Year of Reading Dangerously!
If you enjoy this content please share it with others and consider leaving a review on iTunes. Thanks again to all supporters on my page at Patreon.com/eolu, especially my new patrons G. Thackrey and Mary Susan Graham! Your contributions make all the difference.
Learn about a beautiful, artistic journal that explores the caregiver’s journey through dying and grief.
My guest this week is Jennifer O’Brien, author of the creative, gorgeous journal: The Hospice Doctor’s Widow. She discusses her journey as she cared for her husband who was a hospice and palliative care physician diagnosed with stage 4 cancer. We talk about grief and loss and caregiving in this intimate conversation. Learn more at her website:
This episode includes:
- Why this book is ideal for caregivers and people dealing with grief
- How Jennifer created the art for the book
- How Jennifer incorporated her husband’s wisdom into the book
- What is “Precious Time” and how did that inform the way she and Bob spent his last days of life together
- Navigating anticipatory grief for caregivers
- Why the patient and the caregiver are going through two different processes
- Why the survivors’ journey can be more difficult than the patient’s journey
- What is the Triad of Certainty
- Advice for caregivers
- The At Peace Toolkit – A Guide to Being at Peace with End of Life
‘Precious Time’ is when you say what you need to say and don’t say what you will later regret.”
from The Hospice Doctor’s Widow by Jennifer O’BrienLinks mentioned in this episode:
- A Year of Reading Dangerously – Register here
- Get the At Peace Toolkit from Jennifer here
- Leave me a message by email: [email protected], Twitter, Facebook or Instagram
- Support your local bookstore by buying my books on Bookshop and Indiebound:7 Lessons for Living from the Dying and The Journey from Ego to Soul
- Subscribe to this podcast on Apple, Google, Spotify, iHeart Radio, Stitcher Radio
- Check out the Series I’ve recorded in the past here
- Join the team at Patreon.com/eolu and get access to the EOLU mug: “Mind if we talk about death?” (only Patrons can purchase it). PLUS get our new bonuses: the monthly EOL News Update, movie reviews from 2 Doctors and a Movie, and automatic access to A Year of Reading Dangerously!
If you enjoy this content please share it with others and consider leaving a review on iTunes. Thanks again to all supporters on my page at Patreon.com/eolu, especially my new patrons G. Thackrey and Mary Susan Graham! Your contributions make all the difference.
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Ep. 336 Better Place Forests: Reimagining Cemeteries with Sandy Gibson
Learn why forests are the cemeteries of the future.
My guest Sandy Gibson is the co-founder and CEO of Better Place Forests, a sustainable alternative to traditional cemeteries for families who choose cremation. Sandy founded several companies and worked in finance and software before founding Better Place Forests. He shares how experiencing significant loss early in his life helped inspire him decide to reimagine cemeteries and make them good for the entire world. You’ll learn how you can find “your tree” and plan ahead for a sustainable, earth-friendly disposition after you die. Learn more about Better Place Forests at the website:
This episode includes:
- How the idea for Better Place Forests came about.
- Why it is important to reimagine cemeteries right now.
- How Better Place Forests are intended to be places for families and communities to come together.
- How the service works for those “at need” or those choosing a tree in advance.
- What a “spreading ceremony” consists of
- The importance of rituals at the end of life
- Where Better Place Forests are located and may expand in the future
- How Better Place is planting trees to offset the carbon footprint of fire cremation
- Advice for people experiencing loss and grief at this time
Links mentioned in this episode:
- Better Place Forests Resources for planning ahead for the end of life
- Leave me a message by email: [email protected], Twitter, Facebook or Instagram
- Support your local bookstore by buying my books on Bookshop and Indiebound:7 Lessons for Living from the Dying and The Journey from Ego to Soul
- Subscribe to this podcast on Apple, Google, Spotify, iHeart Radio, Stitcher Radio
- Check out the Series I’ve recorded in the past here
- Join the team at Patreon.com/eolu and get access to the EOLU mug: “Mind if we talk about death?” (only Patrons can purchase it). PLUS get our new bonuses: the monthly EOL News Update, movie reviews from 2 Doctors and a Movie, and automatic access to A Year of Reading Dangerously!
If you enjoy this content please share it with others and consider leaving a review on iTunes. Thanks again to all supporters on my page at Patreon.com/eolu, especially my new patrons Louise O’Brien and Daraleen C. Shales! Your contributions make all the difference.
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Ep. 338 Ask Doctor Death: Tough Questions About Tough Topics with Terri Daniel and Karen Wyatt
Learn how Terri Daniel and I used our experiences with loss and grief to motivate the work we do today.
In this episode I’m featuring a conversation I had with the Rev. Dr. Terri Daniel on the Ask Doctor Death Podcast, of which I am an occasional co-host. Terri is the creator of the former Afterlife Awareness Conference and now the Conference on Death, Grief and Belief, which will be held July 2022 in Portland OR. We share a wide-ranging discussion that includes our own personal stories and our spiritual journeys, which have brought us where we are today. Learn more about Terri and the conference:
http://www.deathgriefandbelief.com
This episode includes:
- The grief experiences that brought each of us to do work focused on end-of-life issues
- What it means to us to be spiritual but not religious
- How we each have found meaning in suffering and grief (and why we wish everyone could)
- How toxic theology can harm people at the end of life or during grief
- What we disagree with about some contemporary advice given to those who are grieving (especially on social media)
Links mentioned in this episode:
- Ask Doctor Death Podcast
- Leave me a message by email: [email protected], Twitter, Facebook or Instagram
- Support your local bookstore by buying my books on Bookshop and Indiebound:7 Lessons for Living from the Dying and The Journey from Ego to Soul
- Subscribe to this podcast on Apple, Google, Spotify, iHeart Radio, Stitcher Radio
- Check out the Series I’ve recorded in the past here
- Join the team at Patreon.com/eolu and get access to the EOLU mug: “Mind if we talk about death?” (only Patrons can purchase it). PLUS get our new bonuses: the monthly EOL News Update, movie reviews from 2 Doctors and a Movie, and automatic access to A Year of Reading Dangerously!
If you enjoy this content please share it with others and consider leaving a review on iTunes. Thanks again to all supporters on my page at Patreon.com/eolu, especially my new patrons Monica Kaniewska and Katharina Mack! Your contributions make all the difference.
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