
Cooperative Conservation with PERC
07/22/23 • 83 min
Hannah Downey is the policy director at PERC, leading policy strategy and government affairs efforts to implement key policy reforms based on PERC’s groundbreaking research. She has applied her passion for the outdoors to advance lasting conservation wins since joining PERC in 2015. Hannah has testified before Congress and works closely with policymakers at the federal and state levels on conservation issues, and her work has been featured in media outlets including The Wall Street Journal and The Hill. Though she grew up in the Midwest, Hannah was lucky enough to spend her summers in Montana and worked as a backpacking guide in the Absaroka-Beartooth Wilderness throughout college. Hannah now calls Bozeman home and fills her spare moments coaching youth mountain biking, serving on the board of the local ski foundation, and enjoying the wonderful outdoors every way she can.
If you enjoy the podcast, I’d really appreciate it if you drop us a review, share it with a friend, or find us on Instagram.
Topics Discussed:
- Dinner discussions with a politically-opposite spouse.
- How sportsmen's groups help or hinder the cause.
- Incentive programs that encourage conservation practices.
- Opportunities for Sportsmen to invest in conservation.
- Reforming the ESA.
- Upcoming Conservation Issues Sportsmen Need to Know.
You can find more about Everett Headley, your host, at his website or Instagram.
Intro Music: Jason Shaw- Back to the Woods
Outro Music: Bumy Goldson- Keep Walking
Hannah Downey is the policy director at PERC, leading policy strategy and government affairs efforts to implement key policy reforms based on PERC’s groundbreaking research. She has applied her passion for the outdoors to advance lasting conservation wins since joining PERC in 2015. Hannah has testified before Congress and works closely with policymakers at the federal and state levels on conservation issues, and her work has been featured in media outlets including The Wall Street Journal and The Hill. Though she grew up in the Midwest, Hannah was lucky enough to spend her summers in Montana and worked as a backpacking guide in the Absaroka-Beartooth Wilderness throughout college. Hannah now calls Bozeman home and fills her spare moments coaching youth mountain biking, serving on the board of the local ski foundation, and enjoying the wonderful outdoors every way she can.
If you enjoy the podcast, I’d really appreciate it if you drop us a review, share it with a friend, or find us on Instagram.
Topics Discussed:
- Dinner discussions with a politically-opposite spouse.
- How sportsmen's groups help or hinder the cause.
- Incentive programs that encourage conservation practices.
- Opportunities for Sportsmen to invest in conservation.
- Reforming the ESA.
- Upcoming Conservation Issues Sportsmen Need to Know.
You can find more about Everett Headley, your host, at his website or Instagram.
Intro Music: Jason Shaw- Back to the Woods
Outro Music: Bumy Goldson- Keep Walking
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If you enjoy the podcast, I’d really appreciate it if you drop us a review, share it with a friend, or find us on Instagram.
Topics Discussed:
- Life after 80 years of hunting and fishing.
- Remembering your first buck.
- The really important things in life.
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You can find more about Everett Headley, your host, at his website or Instagram.
Intro Music: Jason Shaw- Back to the Woods
Outro Music: Bumy Goldson- Keep Walking
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If you enjoy the podcast, I’d really appreciate it if you drop us a review, share it with a friend, or find us on Instagram.
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- Harvesting vs Killing.
You can find more about Everett Headley, your host, at his website or Instagram.
Intro Music: Jason Shaw- Back to the Woods
Outro Music: Bumy Goldson- Keep Walking
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