
Developing Meaning
Dirk Winter
A podcast about healing trauma and finding meaning.
Have you ever wondered what your therapist has figured out about life's big questions?
Join psychiatrist Dr. Dirk Winter as he speaks with colleagues, therapists, and other healers about what they have learned from their clinical work about how to heal trauma and build more meaning and purpose into our lives.
Developing Meaning is NOT CLINICAL ADVICE and is NOT AFFILIATED WITH ANY INSTITUTIONS. It is intended to play with ideas that are emerging, fringe, and outside of the mainstream in order to discover the meaning of life.
Produced by Dirk Winter and Violet Chernoff
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#18: Ridghaus Follows the Golden Threads - A Story of Adoption, Grief and Meaning.
Developing Meaning
03/15/25 • 87 min
Can you imagine learning at 35 that you were adopted? In this episode Ridghaus, my friend and Level I IFS Program Assistant, shares how this discovery transformed his sense of identity and led him to advocate for adoptee rights and communities.
We also explore the profound loss of his 18-year-old son and how he has grieved. Through our conversation, Ridghaus reflects on the "golden threads" that have guided him—moments of insight, connection, and healing. We discuss how Internal Family Systems (IFS) has played a role in his process, helping him hold space for his parts and for others in their own healing journeys.
This episode is part of a series on my Level I IFS training experience, in which I introduce the IFS model (#16), introduce my Lead Trainer Jory Agate (#17). Upcoming episodes will introduce another trainer Margaret Conley (#19), who is an expert in complex trauma and legacy burdens, and then an audiodiary (#20) will follow. My intention in this series is to share this exciting new model of healing with classically trained therapists and anyone else curious about mental health and meaning.
- Timestamps:
- 00:00:00 - Introduction to Developing Meaning and Ridgehouse
- 00:05:42 - Early Life: A Misfit in Kansas
- 00:17:28 - Discovering Adoption at Age 35
- 00:30:49 - Facing Unimaginable Loss and Grief
- 00:43:02 - First Encounter with Internal Family Systems
- 01:00:34 - Becoming a Healer: IFS and Identity Work
- 01:11:27 - Plateaus and Valleys of Meaning
- 01:15:33 - Final Reflections on Intention and Starting Over
Developing Meaning is NOT AFFILIATED WITH ANY INSTITUTIONS, and is NOT MENTAL HEALTH ADVICE.
Theme Music by The Thrashing Skumz.
This episode was produced by Dirk Winter, Fariha Fawziah and Caroline Hinton and is brought to you by Consilient Mind LLC.

#12: Dr. Richard Brown, Co-Creator of Breath Body Mind, on How Ancient Breathing Techniques Can Heal Trauma, Optimize Health, and Create Joy
Developing Meaning
08/09/24 • 94 min
For thousands of years breathing has been used to heal trauma, optimize health, and build connection. Dr. Richard Brown has spent his life mastering these techniques, and is also an expert in integrative psychiatry, and Associate Professor of Psychiatry at Columbia. He has co-authored over 100 scientific articles, chapters, and award winning books on applying these techniques to heal anxiety, trauma, and optimize health. Together with his wife, Dr. Patricia Gerbarg, he has co-created the Breath-Body-Mind organization, which trains health care providers in using breathing techniques to heal health workers and trauma survivors all over the world, including places like Ukraine, Rawanda, Sudan, and Turkey. In this episode you will learn how childhood bullying led him to pursue martial arts, and learn techniques that we all can use to heal, optimize health, and find joy.
For more information visit:
www.Breath-Body-Mind.com and
www.breathbodymindfoundation.org.
Timestamps
00:00:18 - Breath Techniques With Dr. Brown
00:14:06 - Martial Arts Journey Through Life
00:27:06 - Breathing Techniques in Spiritual Practices
00:41:18 - Global Healing Through Breath Practices
00:55:14 - Optimizing Breathing Techniques for Wellness
01:08:58 - Global Impact of Breath Practices
01:15:53 - Transformative Power of Breathing Practices
01:21:09 - Healing Trauma Through Breathing Techniques
01:27:49 - Exploring Breath Practices and Global Impact
Produced by Dirk Winter and Violet Chernoff
Theme Music by The Thrashing Skumz

#17: Past Year Review (PYR) and Setting Intentions for Beginner's Mind, Questioning Assumptions, and Consilience in 2025.
Developing Meaning
01/12/25 • 33 min
This episode invites listeners to engage in a meaningful past year review, turning away from traditional resolutions toward a more insightful approach to personal growth. By exploring the themes of beginner's mind, questioning assumptions, and the importance of consilience, Dr. Dirk Winter provides a framework for navigating mental health and self-discovery in 2025.
• Dissecting the concept of a past year review
• Sharing personal peaks and lows from 2024
• Introducing guiding themes for 2025: beginner's mind, questioning assumptions, and consilience
• Exploring the significance of various healing modalities
• Challenging traditional mental health assumptions
• Encouraging listeners to conduct their own past year review and set meaningful intentions
Go ahead, do your past year review, get yourself maybe into some beginner's mind question patterns, look for areas of consilience, or come up with your own ideas or mantras for the coming year.
Them Music by The Thrashing Skumz
Produced by Dirk Winter

#7: Bruce Hersey - How I Built the Syzygy Institute - Healing Trauma by Combining EMDR, IFS, and Coherence Therapy.
Developing Meaning
12/10/23 • 88 min
"The more efficient a force is, the more silent and the more subtle it is. Love is the subtlest force in the world." ~ Mahatma Gandhi
(quote lifted from Bruce's bio page)
How can you know what type of therapy is most likely to be helpful when the number of psychotherapies is vast and growing ?
One way is to learn from Bruce Hersey, who has 30 + years of clinical experience and a wide range of expertise, including Ericksonian Hypnosis, Psychodrama, EMDR, IFS, and Coherence Therapy.
In this episode Bruce describes his evolution as a therapist, and how he found convergent principles between 3 treatment modalities: EMDR, IFS, and Coherence Therapy. Bruce describes his integrated approach for healing trauma, and how he created the Syzygy Institute, which teaches these methods to therapists.
You will also hear about Bruce’s take on Meaning, and how music and the song Titanium helped him during a challenging time.
Timestamps:
00:00:23 - Intro
00:05:00 - Concilience and EO Wilson
00:15:00 - Ericksonian Hypnosis and NLP
00:17:19 - Psychodrama
00:28:00 - EMDR, bringing adaptive and dysfunctional memory networks together
00:34:12 - Power and Challenges of EMDR
00:40:17 - Ego States and IFS in EMDR
00:44:00 - Understanding IFS and EMDR Connection
00:50:52 - Comparing Dual Attention in EMDR and IFS
01:02:00 - Reconsolidation of Traumatic Memories
01:14:20 - Caution and Meaning in Healing Therapies
01:19:00 - The Meaning of Life According to Bruce
Produced by Dirk Winter and Violet Chernoff
Theme Music by The Thrashing Skumz

#4: Justin Townsend, CEO of MycoMeditations - Journey into Psychedelic Retreats, Healing Trauma, and Finding Meaning in the Second Half of Life.
Developing Meaning
09/26/23 • 111 min
Are you curious about psychedelic retreats? Join us for an insider’s perspective with Justin Townsend, CEO of MycoMeditations, the oldest and largest psilocybin mushroom therapeutic retreat center in Jamaica. We discuss the process of safety screening, and the potential of using psychedelics to overcome trauma, ease depression, and reconnect with our authentic selves.
Justin shares his personal journey, from tech startups, to the European psychedelic underground, to learning and teaching breathwork and meditation, and then joining MycoMeditations in Jamaica. Having facilitated thousands of healing journeys, he shares how these retreats can provide unique insights into our individual and collective human condition. We probe the metaphysics of consciousness and healing and examine how psychedelics can influence belief and faith, which can alter our physiology and bring greater understanding and meaning to our lives.
As we conclude our conversation, we reflect on Carl Jung’s concept of Individuation and Integration, and the transformative stories of guests at MycoMeditations. We discuss life and work in Jamaica, and highlight the importance of surrender and authenticity. We invite you to immerse yourself in this captivating world of psychedelic therapy – a world that promises to challenge, inspire, and transform.
Caution: DON'T CONSUME PSYCHELICS WITHOUT CONSULTING YOUR PERSONAL TRUSTED HEALTH PROFESSIONAL.
Timestamps
0:17 Exploring Psychedelics
13:32 Psilocybin Retreats and Group Therapy
25:49 Background and Path to Psychedelics
40:59 Psychedelics, Mystical Experiences, and Therapeutic Potential
42:15 Roland Griffith's 3 Mediators of Psychedelic Experience
49:55 Bad Trips vs Healing Journeys
53:35 Therapeutic Healing and Transcending Rationality
1:02:16 Approaches to Trauma and Memory
1:05:26 Parental Fantasy Bond Trauma
1:13:49 Exploring Consciousness and Metaphysical Perspectives
1:21:55 Meaning of Life Questions
1:29:59 Carl Jung's Individuation and Integrating Your Shadow
1:32:33 Life In Jamaica
1:39:40 Legacy and Authenticity in Psychedelic Healing
1:45:19 The Concept of Letting Go
1:49:04 Next Episode: Psychoanalysis, Short Story Writing, and Meaning with Dr. David Merrill

#2: Annette Dubreuil Discusses Eugene Gendlin's Felt Sense as it Applies to Meaning, Creativity, and More.
Developing Meaning
08/11/23 • 76 min
Many emerging therapies like EMDR, IFS, Somatic Experiencing, and Psychedelics target a client’s “Felt Sense” and “Embodied Knowing” rather than intellectual and cognitive insight. The term “Felt Sense” was coined by philosopher Eugene Gendlin, who developed a peer to peer therapy process called Focusing in the 1950s.
Here we present a conversation with Focusing expert Annette Dubreuil on the history, allure, and methodology of this internal psychotherapeutic process. Annette describes her personal connection to Focusing, her experiences as a long-time Focusing facilitator, and her specific teaching process, the Pupa process. She also describes Gendlin’s Thinking at the Edge method for creativity, and how we can combine knowledge from different fields to enhance creativity and meaning. Stick around till the end to learn the meaning of life according to Annette Dubreuil and consider whether Focusing may be right for you.
Timestamps
- 3:15 - Definition of the “felt sense”
- 9:30 - Annette introduces Focusing
- 14:00 - Annette’s discovery of Focusing
- 17:30 - Combining Polyvagal Theory and Focusing
- 23:10 - Giving credit to Eugene Gendlin
- 24:32 - Crossing therapy processes and modalities (“Thinking at the Edge”)
- 26:59 - Combining the 8 C’s of IFS and Focusing
- 30:10 - Focusing and Heart Energy
- 32:07 - Annette’s transition from Focusing client to collaborator
- 35:00 - How empathy factors into Focusing
- 38:00 - Tanya Singer’s meditative monks
- 42:00 - Catastrophic thinking
- 46:27 - Annette’s background
- 49:20 - Victor Frankl’s 4 Components of Finding Meaning
- 54:36 - “Meaning issue” in Annette’s clients
- 56:40 - Conversation about Dirk and Annette’s shared experience
- 59:30 - Psychedelics and Focusing
- 1:01:30 - Annette’s personal focusing practice
- 1:05:00 - Focusing prompts
- 1:06:47 - Rapid Fire questions and wind down
Produced by Dirk Winter and Violet Chernoff
Theme music by The Thrashing Skumz

#8: 2023 Year End Review: How a Meaning Inventory Can Guide Us Into a Better New Year
Developing Meaning
01/20/24 • 26 min
In this episode I discuss how a year end review can help us prioritize and plan for the year ahead. I review what I have learned from this podcast so far and look ahead toward upcoming episodes and topics in 2024.
Produced by Dirk Winter and Violet Chernoff
Theme Music by The Thrashing Skumz

#13: Dr. Richard Brown Leads 6 Minutes of Coherent Breathing (Supplement to Episode 12)
Developing Meaning
08/09/24 • 6 min
Please enjoy this guided six minute coherent breathing exercise led by Dr. RIchard Brown, co-creator of Breath Body Mind.
This is a spontaneous demonstration taken out of our longer Episode 12 Interview in order for you to be able to chose the right time and place to do this exercise.
For more information on Dr. Brown's approaches to breathing listen to our full lenght episode 12, or go to www.breathbodymind.com.

#10: EMDR and The Meaning Of Life In One Word with Dr. April Minjarez
Developing Meaning
03/17/24 • 69 min
Dr. April Minjarez is the only therapist I know who is both experienced at healing infant trauma and an end of life doula. She is also an expert in multiple trauma healing modalities including Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing (EMDR) and an amazing mentor, teacher, and healer.
In this episode you will hear how a terrifying experience with gangs in middle school inspired April to become a therapist. You will also learn how EMDR therapy stimulates healing by reprocessing components of traumatic memories, and how this modality can integrate ketamine journeys. Also, you will learn April's compelling one word answer to my question about the meaning of life.
Theme music by The Thrashing Skumz
Produced by Dirk Winter and Violet Chernoff
Developing Meaning is NOT MEDICAL ADVICE and NOT AFFILIATED WITH ANY INSTITUTIONS
Timestamps
0:19 - Finding Meaning in Therapeutic Modalities
11:31 - Middle School Gang Story
19:20 - Evolution of Therapeutic Modalities
23:32 - EMDR Therapy for Trauma Processing
40:00 - Integrating EMDR and Ketamine
48:51 - Working with Grief and Loss
58:00 - The Meaning of Life According to April
1:02:02 - Being Mortal by Atul Gawande
1:06:00 - Wrap Up and Look Ahead

#9: Dr. Richard Brockman - On Surviving His Mother's Suicide, Psychoanalysis, and Healing Trauma with Neuroscience, Storytelling and Love
Developing Meaning
02/10/24 • 90 min
When Richard Brockman was seven years old his mother died by suicide. He went on to become an expert in trauma and suicide, and is now a Professor of Psychiatry at Columbia, Psychoanalyst, Playwright, Author and my mentor and friend. He recently published his memoir, Life After Death: Surviving Suicide, which tells his story of loss and healing from both a first person and a neuroscience perspective.
In this conversation you will learn much about how to heal trauma from perspectives of story, neuroscience, and meaning.
Theme music by The Thrashing Skumz
Produced by Dirk Winter and Violet Chernoff
Timestamps
0:17 - Healing Trauma and Surviving Suicide
10:43 - Personal Connection's Impact in Psychiatry
25:29 - Questioning Freud's Theories in Therapy
30:15 - Understanding Meaning and Story in Psychology
42:04 - Trauma, Story, and Healing
50:31 - Healing Trauma Through Love and Storytelling
1:04:03 - Healing Trauma and Finding Gratitude
1:10:45 - Taking Steps Towards Healing and Recovery
1:17:38 - Healing and the Meaning of Life
1:26:28 - Appreciation, Friendship, and Future Plans
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How many episodes does Developing Meaning have?
Developing Meaning currently has 19 episodes available.
What topics does Developing Meaning cover?
The podcast is about Health & Fitness, Alternative Health, Mental Health, Religion & Spirituality, Therapy, Podcasts, Hypnosis and Psychiatry.
What is the most popular episode on Developing Meaning?
The episode title '#9: Dr. Richard Brockman - On Surviving His Mother's Suicide, Psychoanalysis, and Healing Trauma with Neuroscience, Storytelling and Love' is the most popular.
What is the average episode length on Developing Meaning?
The average episode length on Developing Meaning is 65 minutes.
How often are episodes of Developing Meaning released?
Episodes of Developing Meaning are typically released every 40 days, 23 hours.
When was the first episode of Developing Meaning?
The first episode of Developing Meaning was released on Aug 11, 2023.
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