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Deep Dive with Shawn - Soda Canter - Country Music Outlaw (and/or Queer in the Country Music Industry)

Soda Canter - Country Music Outlaw (and/or Queer in the Country Music Industry)

11/11/22 • 53 min

Deep Dive with Shawn

In the first season of Deep Dive, I interviewed Dr. Peter La Chapelle about the history of country music and how it evolved into such a conservative space that is aggressively exclusive of queer folks, folks of color, and also women. And, that conversation sparked a personal interest to dive a bit deeper into this topic, to talk to some of these folks that don’t fit into the dominant country music culture that are, nonetheless, playing in that sandbox. To hear their stories from their perspective – not JUST their experiences making country music and working in the industry as outsiders (challenges and rewards), but also where they came from, what their formative years were like, and what motivates them to do what they do – make music in an industry that can be hostile to them, based on who they are. This episode is one product of that venture, adventure.

Today, Veterans Day, I’m talking to Soda Canter – veteran of the United States Marine Corps and a gay country musician and writer out of Wilmington, North Carolina. He’s currently working on a short story series about a small river community called Morgantown Blues (which he mentions in our conversation) and on a debut country music album with guitarist Josh Youse.

The first half of our conversation is really focused on Soda’s formative years – the backdrop to his life –his surroundings, his town, family, his education, and some trauma. In the second half, we talk about how this has all contributed to his artistry – his music and his writing. And, we talk about the country music industry – where it fails to live up to the values of its own origin – a music for all people, created by all kinds of people from all kinds of places; and also where it really shines and how supportive it can be.
Mentioned:
Bobbie Gentry
Terry Allen
Hailey Whitters
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Tiffany Williams
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Rainbow Rodeo Magazine

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In the first season of Deep Dive, I interviewed Dr. Peter La Chapelle about the history of country music and how it evolved into such a conservative space that is aggressively exclusive of queer folks, folks of color, and also women. And, that conversation sparked a personal interest to dive a bit deeper into this topic, to talk to some of these folks that don’t fit into the dominant country music culture that are, nonetheless, playing in that sandbox. To hear their stories from their perspective – not JUST their experiences making country music and working in the industry as outsiders (challenges and rewards), but also where they came from, what their formative years were like, and what motivates them to do what they do – make music in an industry that can be hostile to them, based on who they are. This episode is one product of that venture, adventure.

Today, Veterans Day, I’m talking to Soda Canter – veteran of the United States Marine Corps and a gay country musician and writer out of Wilmington, North Carolina. He’s currently working on a short story series about a small river community called Morgantown Blues (which he mentions in our conversation) and on a debut country music album with guitarist Josh Youse.

The first half of our conversation is really focused on Soda’s formative years – the backdrop to his life –his surroundings, his town, family, his education, and some trauma. In the second half, we talk about how this has all contributed to his artistry – his music and his writing. And, we talk about the country music industry – where it fails to live up to the values of its own origin – a music for all people, created by all kinds of people from all kinds of places; and also where it really shines and how supportive it can be.
Mentioned:
Bobbie Gentry
Terry Allen
Hailey Whitters
Recommended:
Soda Canter - Instagram
Sara Trunzo
Tiffany Williams
Adobe and Teardrops Podcast
Rainbow Rodeo Magazine

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Follow Deep Dive:
Bluesky
YouTube
Email: [email protected]
Music:
Majestic Earth - Joystock

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Natalie Kenoyer - The Midterms (and Saving America from the Republican Threat)

Regardless of whether someone agrees with the policy positions of the Republican Party (of which, frankly, it’s difficult to ascertain), you have to ask yourself, in this election, when you cast your vote, if you can support a Party that poses such a threat to your country. And, I mean this, today’s Republican Party is an existential threat to the United States and its people. This is a party that advocates overthrowing the government, that openly states that America is not a democracy and actively takes measures to strip democratic governance from our society, and targets traditionally underreppresented groups for, not just derision, but violence – queer folks, folks of color, women, immigrants.

The polls are all over the place, but a few things suggest that Republicans may be in good shape to take Congress. First, history tells us that the president’s party loses seats in the first midterm after taking office. Additionally, the economy is lagging – with high gas prices, high inflation, slowing home sales. While this is all related to external factors outside the direct control of president (and here I’m talking about Putin’s war in Ukraine driving up the prices of food, oil, and gas; remnants of the botched response to the pandemic that is still dragging on the economy), people still hold the party in power accountable. So, this suggests that Republicans should do well.

But, this is muddied by a few things this year – one, Republicans have chosen a uniquely awful – unqualified, Mega MAGA, conspiracy-driven slate of candidates up, down, and across tickets nationwide; two, the overturning of Roe v. Wade animated people against Republicans and their anti-choice agenda in a way that a court opinion hasn’t done in recent memory; and three, polls have been really poor at gauging voter intent when anything related to Donald Trump is involved.

So, first I make a closing argument, not just for for Democrats, but for democracy and the United States, and also against political violence that is becoming a hallmark of the Republican Party.

And, I’m also talking to Natalie Kenoyer – president of the College Democrats of Washington about what she’s hearing from the people she’s engaging – college Democrats AND folks she’s working to convince to turn out for Democrats. And we talk about what issues seem to matter to voters on the ground, the threat that Republicans pose to the country, how she and her friends think about going to red states after Roe was overturned, what a Republican win this year might mean for the future of the country and, especially, her generation, how young Democrats feel about an aging Democratic leadership, and how people can register and vote in Washington state.
Resources:
College Democrats of America
Voter Registration Information
More Voter Registration Information
Washington State Registration and Election Information
Washington State Voter Protection Hotline
Protect the Vote

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Email: [email protected]
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Joshua Wilson - The New States of Abortion Politics (and The Red Ripple)

On November 8th, American voters did something relatively remarkable for a midterm election. We now know that Democrats will keep the Senate (perhaps even expand it by a seat) and that Republicans will narrowly take the House. This is a massive underperformance for Republicans.

Along with a lot of other people, I’m interested in understanding what happened – and specifically, how the Dobbs decision and the abortion question might have influenced this election – if at all. So, my guest today is a former colleague of mine, Dr. Joshua Wilson – Professor and Chair of the Political Science Department at the University of Denver and Associate Editor of the Law & Policy academic journal. Dr. Wilson has written and published extensively about abortion politics – and other things – including the books The New States of Abortion Politics, The Street Politics of Abortion, and most recently, Separate but Faithful: The Christian Right’s Radical Struggle to Transform Law and Legal Culture with co-author Amanda Hollis-Brusky. His research has also been published in numerous academic journals and appeared in mass media outlets, such as Newsweek, Christian Science Monitor, Washington Post, and Politico – to name just a few.

We talk about how anti-abortion activists manipulated the legal landscape on abortion issues over the decades in such a way that they primed an entirely new political debate and pursued strategies that culminated in the overturning of Roe. We talk about what this might look like moving forward, if the national Republican Party has an appetite for a nationwide abortion ban, and if the Dobbs decision cost Republicans what – by all accounts – should have been an overwhelming retaking of Congress. We also talk about the state of American politics and why Donald Trump leaving the political arena won’t solve the problem of political violence in the United States.
Mentioned:
Whole Women's Health v. Hellerstedt
June Medical Services LLC v. RussoThe Count of Monte Cristo - Alexandre Dumas
Recommended:
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Bluesky
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Email: [email protected]
Music:
Majestic Earth - Joystock

Deep Dive with Shawn - Soda Canter - Country Music Outlaw (and/or Queer in the Country Music Industry)

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Soda Canter - Country Music Outlaw (Queer in the Country Music Industry)

Soda: [00:00:00] Between the country music or any kind of artistic community, there's judgment about what's happening, what's not happening, what's right, what's not right, but then also judgment from the queer community, right? Being queer enough, not being queer enough, not being pretty enough, not any of these things. And I'm just so exhausted, like, Shawn, aren't you exhausted?<

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