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Dare to Think | Mere Liberty Podcast - Decriminalizing Sex: Where Prostitution Meets Purity Culture

Decriminalizing Sex: Where Prostitution Meets Purity Culture

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01/02/23 • 54 min

Dare to Think | Mere Liberty Podcast

Hyperlinked show notes found at mereliberty.com/035

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Summary - Decriminalizing Sex: Where Prostitution Meets Purity Culture

An odd twist in my research on a libertarian theory of reproductive rights (and abortion), I've had to dive into how the criminal justice system treats the crime of rape. In doing so, I've been led to what might appear to be very strange. The parallels between the culture surrounding illicit sex work and evangelical purity culture. I cannot say where any causal relations lay between the two, only that they appear to be, strikingly, correlated. And correlated in such a way that Christians in particular must pay attention and take heed.

In this episode, I seek to break down the legal concerns regarding sex work and prostitution, and the connections to human trafficking. The connection to human trafficking is difficult given the prevalence and nature of trauma. I wrote a review of Dr. Gabor Mate's work on trauma in a documentary called, The Wisdom of Trauma. One aspect he addresses are the reasons why women will prostitute themselves and it seems to stem exclusively from trauma. But, when it comes to dealing with traumatized people, there is a principled disagreement about how to deal with sex workers with trauma: use the legal violence of the state to rescue women, penalize women, or only in response to violence done against them.

But there might be another way to deal with trauma, trafficking, and voluntarily choosing to prostitute oneself. And that lays in education concerning sex and intimate relationships. I've found a strong correlation between the views of men and women by "Johns" and "primps" and the view of men and women in evangelical purity culture. Have evangelicals unwittingly set the stage for sex trafficking and prostitution? I think there's good reason to believe that American evangelicalism contributed to the problems some evangelicals are trying to now fix, regarding sexual violence.

The popular view by Christian anti-human trafficking organizations is to embrace the Nordic model - make the men behave! Use the threat of legal violence to make bad men behave better. But does this work? I also explain why the nature of economics will not allow for legal violence to "deter" bad behavior. And why this necessitates decriminalizing sex work if we're going to improve societal and legal views concerning women and sex.

DISCLAIMER: While this episode is aimed at supporting decriminalizing sex work, it is not an endorsement of sex work as morally legitimate. I hold and maintain a Christian sexual ethic (sex is designed by God only for heterosexual marriage relationships), though I believe evangelical "purity culture" is an unbiblical, anti-Christian view.

Main Points of Discussion

00:00 Introduction

Ep. 292: Decriminalizing Prostitution: Can Christians Support it?

01:45 Definitions: 'sex work', 'prohibition', 'prostitution', trafficking'

04:04 Why is it important to understand these distinctions

05:46 Difference between 'decriminalization' and 'legalization'

07:58 Explanation of legalization; Nevada vs Rhode Island

09:08 The feminist argument against decriminalization (Nordic model)

09:55 Clip from Julie Bindell's opening statement at the Soho Forum

13:43 "The bleakest view of masculinity"

14:50 Do we know how many sex workers are trafficking vs voluntarily participating?

16:24 Clip from "Sold in America" - a "John's" view of women in purchasing sex

17:41 Evangelical Purity Culture Detour

18:09 Does 'rape culture' exist?

19:28 Nancy Pearcy: how "nominal" evangelical men skew divorce and domestic violence data in the church

23:01 What does evangelical purity culture have to do with decriminalizing prostitution?

27:08 What the so-called "experts" told evangelical women about how to have a good Christian marriage

27:33 Quotes cited by Shelia Wray Gregorie's, The Great Sex Rescue

31:55 Ontological distinctions between men and women don't require a predator/prey relationship

33:39 Connecting the stigma of sex in purity culture to the stigma found in legal prohibition of prostitution

34:21 Legal denial of basic human rights - No Humans Involved

36:22 The unjust handling of sexual violence by our criminal justice system

40% of police officers perpetrate domestic violence in their own homes.

37:41 Are victims of rape stigmatized because of prostitution, or is prostitution stigmatized because of certain views about women, already discussed? (Connection to spiritual manipulation of religious values)

41:57 The perpetual victim status of women - propagated by feminists and patriarchalists

43:17 How do we change society to value women and children, abhor the ev...

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Hyperlinked show notes found at mereliberty.com/035

TIP JAR: https://donate.stripe.com/aEUdUE5YodhZgkUeUV

Summary - Decriminalizing Sex: Where Prostitution Meets Purity Culture

An odd twist in my research on a libertarian theory of reproductive rights (and abortion), I've had to dive into how the criminal justice system treats the crime of rape. In doing so, I've been led to what might appear to be very strange. The parallels between the culture surrounding illicit sex work and evangelical purity culture. I cannot say where any causal relations lay between the two, only that they appear to be, strikingly, correlated. And correlated in such a way that Christians in particular must pay attention and take heed.

In this episode, I seek to break down the legal concerns regarding sex work and prostitution, and the connections to human trafficking. The connection to human trafficking is difficult given the prevalence and nature of trauma. I wrote a review of Dr. Gabor Mate's work on trauma in a documentary called, The Wisdom of Trauma. One aspect he addresses are the reasons why women will prostitute themselves and it seems to stem exclusively from trauma. But, when it comes to dealing with traumatized people, there is a principled disagreement about how to deal with sex workers with trauma: use the legal violence of the state to rescue women, penalize women, or only in response to violence done against them.

But there might be another way to deal with trauma, trafficking, and voluntarily choosing to prostitute oneself. And that lays in education concerning sex and intimate relationships. I've found a strong correlation between the views of men and women by "Johns" and "primps" and the view of men and women in evangelical purity culture. Have evangelicals unwittingly set the stage for sex trafficking and prostitution? I think there's good reason to believe that American evangelicalism contributed to the problems some evangelicals are trying to now fix, regarding sexual violence.

The popular view by Christian anti-human trafficking organizations is to embrace the Nordic model - make the men behave! Use the threat of legal violence to make bad men behave better. But does this work? I also explain why the nature of economics will not allow for legal violence to "deter" bad behavior. And why this necessitates decriminalizing sex work if we're going to improve societal and legal views concerning women and sex.

DISCLAIMER: While this episode is aimed at supporting decriminalizing sex work, it is not an endorsement of sex work as morally legitimate. I hold and maintain a Christian sexual ethic (sex is designed by God only for heterosexual marriage relationships), though I believe evangelical "purity culture" is an unbiblical, anti-Christian view.

Main Points of Discussion

00:00 Introduction

Ep. 292: Decriminalizing Prostitution: Can Christians Support it?

01:45 Definitions: 'sex work', 'prohibition', 'prostitution', trafficking'

04:04 Why is it important to understand these distinctions

05:46 Difference between 'decriminalization' and 'legalization'

07:58 Explanation of legalization; Nevada vs Rhode Island

09:08 The feminist argument against decriminalization (Nordic model)

09:55 Clip from Julie Bindell's opening statement at the Soho Forum

13:43 "The bleakest view of masculinity"

14:50 Do we know how many sex workers are trafficking vs voluntarily participating?

16:24 Clip from "Sold in America" - a "John's" view of women in purchasing sex

17:41 Evangelical Purity Culture Detour

18:09 Does 'rape culture' exist?

19:28 Nancy Pearcy: how "nominal" evangelical men skew divorce and domestic violence data in the church

23:01 What does evangelical purity culture have to do with decriminalizing prostitution?

27:08 What the so-called "experts" told evangelical women about how to have a good Christian marriage

27:33 Quotes cited by Shelia Wray Gregorie's, The Great Sex Rescue

31:55 Ontological distinctions between men and women don't require a predator/prey relationship

33:39 Connecting the stigma of sex in purity culture to the stigma found in legal prohibition of prostitution

34:21 Legal denial of basic human rights - No Humans Involved

36:22 The unjust handling of sexual violence by our criminal justice system

40% of police officers perpetrate domestic violence in their own homes.

37:41 Are victims of rape stigmatized because of prostitution, or is prostitution stigmatized because of certain views about women, already discussed? (Connection to spiritual manipulation of religious values)

41:57 The perpetual victim status of women - propagated by feminists and patriarchalists

43:17 How do we change society to value women and children, abhor the ev...

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