
The Fruit and The Droids
02/05/24 • 95 min
Whether you work in tech, produce tech content, or just happen to use a smartphone, a single question can spark debate and an explosion of extreme views from both sides. That question is simple, iPhone or Android?
We’re joined by our Zack, one of Jae’s nephews and a longtime Android user and advocate to have an honest discussion about why we like the platforms we’ve settled on and where we see potential issues.
Our chat touches on some core issues like security updates, the challenge of a multitude of Android OEMs, cross-platform messaging, ecosystem lock-in, and the important of right to repair and the longevity of hardware.
What’s your daily driver, do you have strong feelings about the Fruit Company or the one with all the Droids? If you can keep it respectful, we’d love to hear from you, so please send us a note to [email protected], or why not come join the discussion on our Discord server.
If you liked this episode or any of our content, we’d greatly appreciate any little bit of support you can throw our way over at our Ko-Fi page.
Affiliate Promotion
“Don’t you people backup? I backup, and I don’t even know what backing up means!” – Nicola Murray, Secretary of State for the Department of Social Affairs and Citizenship
If you have any kind of file that’s important to you, be that a treasured family photo, your latest research paper, or just the list of the co-ordinates of your best places in Minecraft, you’ll want to make sure it’s kept safe, right? Well, just syncing that to the cloud isn’t really enough, you need a proper backup strategy too.
Part of a good backup strategy is having a backup that isn’t in the same place as your computer, and this is where a good cloud backup service is so important. Our friends at Backblaze provide simple, reliable, and affordable backup options for your Mac or Windows PCs for just $9/month. You can get a 15 day free-trial when you follow this link to sign up.
Episode Links
- Android Open Source Project – The core of Android, that isn’t always Google powered.
- iPhone Models Compatible with iOS 17 – Apple Support
- Samsung Commits to Four Years of Security Updates – Samsung Newsroom (2021)
- Signal – Cross platform, end-to-end encrypted messaging
- iFixIt.com – Guides for device repair
Chapter Times
- 00:00:04: Introductions
- 00:03:43: Our Daily Drivers
- 00:06:57: Personal Choice Matters
- 00:12:13: Android is not Google
- 00:15:26: Side loading: Android’s Freedom of Choice?
- 00:33:15: Android Versions & OEMs
- 00:42:18: An Expectation of Updates?
- 00:47:38: Picking Your Device
- 00:51:05: The Right to Repair
- 01:07:34: Platform Services & Ecosystems
- 01:18:17: Beeping iMessage
- 01:29:01: Wrapping Up
Credits
Intro and outro theme: Ace of Clubs by RoccoW
Whether you work in tech, produce tech content, or just happen to use a smartphone, a single question can spark debate and an explosion of extreme views from both sides. That question is simple, iPhone or Android?
We’re joined by our Zack, one of Jae’s nephews and a longtime Android user and advocate to have an honest discussion about why we like the platforms we’ve settled on and where we see potential issues.
Our chat touches on some core issues like security updates, the challenge of a multitude of Android OEMs, cross-platform messaging, ecosystem lock-in, and the important of right to repair and the longevity of hardware.
What’s your daily driver, do you have strong feelings about the Fruit Company or the one with all the Droids? If you can keep it respectful, we’d love to hear from you, so please send us a note to [email protected], or why not come join the discussion on our Discord server.
If you liked this episode or any of our content, we’d greatly appreciate any little bit of support you can throw our way over at our Ko-Fi page.
Affiliate Promotion
“Don’t you people backup? I backup, and I don’t even know what backing up means!” – Nicola Murray, Secretary of State for the Department of Social Affairs and Citizenship
If you have any kind of file that’s important to you, be that a treasured family photo, your latest research paper, or just the list of the co-ordinates of your best places in Minecraft, you’ll want to make sure it’s kept safe, right? Well, just syncing that to the cloud isn’t really enough, you need a proper backup strategy too.
Part of a good backup strategy is having a backup that isn’t in the same place as your computer, and this is where a good cloud backup service is so important. Our friends at Backblaze provide simple, reliable, and affordable backup options for your Mac or Windows PCs for just $9/month. You can get a 15 day free-trial when you follow this link to sign up.
Episode Links
- Android Open Source Project – The core of Android, that isn’t always Google powered.
- iPhone Models Compatible with iOS 17 – Apple Support
- Samsung Commits to Four Years of Security Updates – Samsung Newsroom (2021)
- Signal – Cross platform, end-to-end encrypted messaging
- iFixIt.com – Guides for device repair
Chapter Times
- 00:00:04: Introductions
- 00:03:43: Our Daily Drivers
- 00:06:57: Personal Choice Matters
- 00:12:13: Android is not Google
- 00:15:26: Side loading: Android’s Freedom of Choice?
- 00:33:15: Android Versions & OEMs
- 00:42:18: An Expectation of Updates?
- 00:47:38: Picking Your Device
- 00:51:05: The Right to Repair
- 01:07:34: Platform Services & Ecosystems
- 01:18:17: Beeping iMessage
- 01:29:01: Wrapping Up
Credits
Intro and outro theme: Ace of Clubs by RoccoW
Previous Episode

The UniFi Appreciation Show
You’ll have heard James and Jae wax lyrical about their love for the UniFi line of networking gear on our live streams and in past episodes with Alex, as well as with Cody from MacTelecom Networks, but this episode is a fairly deep look into why we love UniFi.
We’re joined by Alex Lowe and Evan McCann, the hosts of UI Chat, a monthly Ubiquiti focussed podcast that is definitely our go-to resource for the latest news from the UniFi maker.
We talk about some of the new products, though it’s worth mentioning that this episode was recorded in mid-December 2023 and so pre-dates the new U7 Pro and Swiss Army Knife Ultra access points, as well as the new Pro Max switches.
Have you used UniFi at home or at work, or maybe you disagree with our views and prefer [insert other brand name here] for your network. We’d love to hear from you, so please send us a note to [email protected], or why not come join the discussion on our Discord server.
If you liked this episode or any of our content, we’d greatly appreciate any little bit of support you can throw our way over at our Ko-Fi page.
Affiliate Promotion
“Don’t you people backup? I backup, and I don’t even know what backing up means!” – Nicola Murray, Secretary of State for the Department of Social Affairs and Citizenship
If you have any kind of file that’s important to you, be that a treasured family photo, your latest research paper, or just the list of the co-ordinates of your best places in Minecraft, you’ll want to make sure it’s kept safe, right? Well, just syncing that to the cloud isn’t really enough, you need a proper backup strategy too.
Part of a good backup strategy is having a backup that isn’t in the same place as your computer, and this is where a good cloud backup service is so important. Our friends at Backblaze provide simple, reliable, and affordable backup options for your Mac or Windows PCs for just $9/month. You can get a 15 day free-trial when you follow this link to sign up.
Episode Links
- UI Chat on Apple Podcasts
- The Interface – Alex’s great tech news site
- McCann Tech – Evan’s blog with wonderful deep dives on UniFi gear
- UniFi Products
- Express – The new all-in-one gateway, controller, and access point that Jae now uses to replace her previous eero setup.
- Dream Router – The R2D2 like gateway, switch, controller and access point that James uses
- Talk – Affordable VoIP platform which has less features than a traditional PBX, but is incredibly easy to configure.
- Meet UniFi (YouTube Playlist) – The Jack Quaid (aka Lt. Bradwert Boimler) UniFi ads
Chapter Times
- 00:00:04: Introductions
- 00:05:42: A UniFi Overview
- 00:21:17: Routing
- 00:25:30: No Subscriptions
- 00:27:11: The UniFi Magic
- 00:37:20: Switches, Switches, Switches
- 00:38:58: WiFi Standards
- 00:44:21: UniFi Express
- 01:01:49: UniFi Talk & Protect
- 01:24:26: PPSK
- 01:26:25: Wrapping Up
Credits
Intro and outro theme: Ace of Clubs by RoccoW
Next Episode

Build-A-Browser
With so many choices in browsers on desktop, mobile, and even our vehicles, it’s important to look under-the-hood to understand the differences between the engines that power your favourite browser.
Be that Chromium, WebKit, or Gecko, not all browsers are created equal and have varying features and views on the rights of their users. We’re honoured to be joined by Jon von Tetzchner, the CEO of Vivaldi, an open-source and privacy first Chromium powered browser that could replace Google Chrome.
Jon also explains why we need regulation on the increasingly scary amount of user-profiling that’s happening across the web itself, not to mention many browsers and services.
Do you remember using the early versions of Internet Explorer, Netscape Navigator, Opera, or something equally vintage? Or, maybe you had to develop sites that required myriads of tweaks to make them work across platforms and interpretations of web standards.
We’d love to hear from you, so please send us a note to [email protected], or why not come join the discussion on our Discord server.
If you liked this episode or any of our content, we’d greatly appreciate any little bit of support you can throw our way over at our Ko-Fi page.
Affiliate Promotion
“Don’t you people backup? I backup, and I don’t even know what backing up means!” – Nicola Murray, Secretary of State for the Department of Social Affairs and Citizenship
If you have any kind of file that’s important to you, be that a treasured family photo, your latest research paper, or just the list of the co-ordinates of your best places in Minecraft, you’ll want to make sure it’s kept safe, right? Well, just syncing that to the cloud isn’t really enough, you need a proper backup strategy too.
Part of a good backup strategy is having a backup that isn’t in the same place as your computer, and this is where a good cloud backup service is so important. Our friends at Backblaze provide simple, reliable, and affordable backup options for your Mac or Windows PCs for just $9/month. You can get a 15 day free-trial when you follow this link to sign up.
Episode Links
- Vivaldi – Website | Mastodon
- Jon von Tetzchner – Mastodon
- Mosaic – Wikipedia
- Opera Mini – Wikipedia
- W3C – The World Wide Web Consortium
- Secure DNS – Chromium Blog
- Fastmail – Privacy focussed email, get 10% off your first year with this link.
- Digital Identity – Our chat with Helen Horstmann-Allen from Fastmail
- Vivaldi steers in-car browsing: Now available in the all-new Ford and Lincoln infotainment system
Chapter Times
- 00:00:05: Introductions
- 00:04:20: Why So Many Browsers?
- 00:18:33: What Makes Vivaldi Different?
- 00:26:24: Is Chrome Becoming IE6?
- 00:33:06: App Stores
- 00:38:36: User Profiling
- 00:54:23: A Browser in Your Car?
- 01:03:13: Wrapping Up
Credits
Intro and outro theme: Ace of Clubs by RoccoW
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