
Bob Sumner: How to Be a Star
10/07/20 • 33 min
Welcome to the Creative Breakthrough
I am your host Shereen Kassam
This week, we continue our conversation with the Founder of Def Comedy Jam – Bob Sumner
Before we jump in to part 2 of our conversation with Bob –
This season, I’m going to spend a lot of time talking about monetizing your creative passion and side hustles.
With many cities starting to open up performance spaces such as bars, clubs, and theater spaces I want to share some personal thoughts.
Yes, people are struggling financially. Yes, unemployment is high. Yes, people are scaling back on their spending.
But – people are still paying Netflix, Hulu, and Disney+ their monthly subscription. People are still eating out. And people are still buying things they don’t need on Amazon.
So you do not need to start charging less than you are worth.
Yes, we are all excited to get back out there and start performing. Yes, there may be less people in the seats due to social distancing. Yes, the promotor may tell you he won’t be making as much money from each show. But no, that doesn’t mean you are worth any less.
I’ve been getting tons of audition requests for acting. Pre-Covid these requests were for $1500 to $2000 for a one year buy out. Now? These requests are for $400 and for use for life. That’s cheap! And as much as I want to act again, and perform, I cannot allow myself to sell my image for life for $400 and neither should you.
The companies paying for these commercials stand to gain thousands of dollars from these ads, so why shouldn’t you also benefit?
As your cities start opening up and people start reaching out to you to perform, please do not perform for free if the producers of the shows/commercials stand to make money.
Because if we all go out and perform for free, we set a precedent of how much we value ourselves and of our talents.
And if you don’t get paid, how are you going to survive on your art?
This week I continue chatting with Bob Sumner –
On the previous episode, Bob shared his vision for Def Comedy Jam, what he looks for in talent, and his advice to creatives.
Bob is best known as the co-creator of HBO’s Russell Simmon’s Def Comedy Jam, a recognized force in the world of comedy and the man behind most comedy legends. With over 25 years of experience, Bob has discovered many of the top gifted comedians that have graced the stages and big screens around the world, including Kevin Hart, Bill Bellamy, Mike Epps, Dave Chapelle, Sheryl Underwood, Chris Tucker, Cedric The Entertainer, and Bernie Mac. One day, he will add me to this list!
Bob is the executive partner in LaffMobb Enterprises which has produced specials that have aired on Showtime, DirectTV and OnDemand. He is also the executive producer of LaffMobb’s We Got Next and LaffMobb’s LaffTracks.
So what are we waiting for, let’s get started.
Key Questions answered by Bob Sumner:
- Which is better LA or NYC for creatives
- What Bob wants his legacy to be
Bob Sumner Discusses:
- Bob’s advice for comedians and creatives
- How to be successful as a creative
- Next on Bob’s journey
Key Takeaways from Bob Sumner
- Know your end goal or your legacy
- Keep creating, even if there is nowhere to perform
- Speak your goals in to existence
Contact Bob:
Facebook: .com/groups/130660473567
Twitter: twitter.com/bobsumner24
Instagram: Instagram.com/bob.sumner
Who am I?
I’m Shereen Kassam, the host of Creative Breakthrough and internationally touring speaker and comedian. If you are looking for a speaker to talk on topics including creativity, branding, or work life balance, get in touch! I am also open to being guest on your podcast, TV show, or other medium.
Contact me:
Email: hi @ funnybrowngirl.com
Facebook: facebook.com/funnybrowngirl
Twitter: twitter.com/funnybrowngirl
Instagram: Instagram.com/funnybrowngirl
Welcome to the Creative Breakthrough
I am your host Shereen Kassam
This week, we continue our conversation with the Founder of Def Comedy Jam – Bob Sumner
Before we jump in to part 2 of our conversation with Bob –
This season, I’m going to spend a lot of time talking about monetizing your creative passion and side hustles.
With many cities starting to open up performance spaces such as bars, clubs, and theater spaces I want to share some personal thoughts.
Yes, people are struggling financially. Yes, unemployment is high. Yes, people are scaling back on their spending.
But – people are still paying Netflix, Hulu, and Disney+ their monthly subscription. People are still eating out. And people are still buying things they don’t need on Amazon.
So you do not need to start charging less than you are worth.
Yes, we are all excited to get back out there and start performing. Yes, there may be less people in the seats due to social distancing. Yes, the promotor may tell you he won’t be making as much money from each show. But no, that doesn’t mean you are worth any less.
I’ve been getting tons of audition requests for acting. Pre-Covid these requests were for $1500 to $2000 for a one year buy out. Now? These requests are for $400 and for use for life. That’s cheap! And as much as I want to act again, and perform, I cannot allow myself to sell my image for life for $400 and neither should you.
The companies paying for these commercials stand to gain thousands of dollars from these ads, so why shouldn’t you also benefit?
As your cities start opening up and people start reaching out to you to perform, please do not perform for free if the producers of the shows/commercials stand to make money.
Because if we all go out and perform for free, we set a precedent of how much we value ourselves and of our talents.
And if you don’t get paid, how are you going to survive on your art?
This week I continue chatting with Bob Sumner –
On the previous episode, Bob shared his vision for Def Comedy Jam, what he looks for in talent, and his advice to creatives.
Bob is best known as the co-creator of HBO’s Russell Simmon’s Def Comedy Jam, a recognized force in the world of comedy and the man behind most comedy legends. With over 25 years of experience, Bob has discovered many of the top gifted comedians that have graced the stages and big screens around the world, including Kevin Hart, Bill Bellamy, Mike Epps, Dave Chapelle, Sheryl Underwood, Chris Tucker, Cedric The Entertainer, and Bernie Mac. One day, he will add me to this list!
Bob is the executive partner in LaffMobb Enterprises which has produced specials that have aired on Showtime, DirectTV and OnDemand. He is also the executive producer of LaffMobb’s We Got Next and LaffMobb’s LaffTracks.
So what are we waiting for, let’s get started.
Key Questions answered by Bob Sumner:
- Which is better LA or NYC for creatives
- What Bob wants his legacy to be
Bob Sumner Discusses:
- Bob’s advice for comedians and creatives
- How to be successful as a creative
- Next on Bob’s journey
Key Takeaways from Bob Sumner
- Know your end goal or your legacy
- Keep creating, even if there is nowhere to perform
- Speak your goals in to existence
Contact Bob:
Facebook: .com/groups/130660473567
Twitter: twitter.com/bobsumner24
Instagram: Instagram.com/bob.sumner
Who am I?
I’m Shereen Kassam, the host of Creative Breakthrough and internationally touring speaker and comedian. If you are looking for a speaker to talk on topics including creativity, branding, or work life balance, get in touch! I am also open to being guest on your podcast, TV show, or other medium.
Contact me:
Email: hi @ funnybrowngirl.com
Facebook: facebook.com/funnybrowngirl
Twitter: twitter.com/funnybrowngirl
Instagram: Instagram.com/funnybrowngirl
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Bob Sumner: Creating Def Comedy Jam and Advice to Excel in Your Creative Journey
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Actor on Tyler Perry’s BET hit show Ruthless and Perfect Pickup Jaime Callica
Chef Saqib Keval whose restaurant Masala y Maiz has been named One of the World’s Greatest Places by Time Magazine
Nelu Handa who is a writer and actor on the hit Netflix show Working Moms
Host of MSNBC Ali Velshi
And this week - Co-founder of Def Comedy Jam Bob Sumner
Who is Bob Sumner
Bob is best known as the co-creator of HBO’s Russell Simmon’s Def Comedy Jam, a recognized force in the world of comedy and the man behind most comedy legends. With never 25 years of experience, Bob has discovered many of the top gifted comedians that have graced the stages and big screens around the world, including Kevin Hart, Bill Bellamy, Mike Epps, Dave Chapelle, Sheryl Underwood, Chris Tucker, Cedric The Entertainer, and Bernie Mac. One day, he will add me to this list!
Bob is the executive partner in LaffMobb Enterprises which has produced specials that have aired on Showtime, DirectTV and OnDemand. He is also the executive producer of LaffMobb’s We Got Next and LaffMobb’s LaffTracks.
We recorded this in April 2020 and streamed it live which is why you may notice some technological glitches and long pauses, especially if you are watching this on YouTube. We talked for almost 2 hours, so there will be a part two to this episode.
I had the pleasure of meeting Bob at the American Black Film Festival as part of the Comedy Wings Comedy Competition and I can’t thank him enough for what he’s done for my comedy career. I’m excited to share his story and his creative advice with all of you.
Key Questions answered by Bob Sumner:
- How Bob’s creative journey began
- Why Bob started Def Comedy Jam
- How Bob know if you have it or don’t have it as a comedian
- How Bob stay’s positive and keeps hustling
Bob Sumner Discusses:
- His career journey
- Bob’s advice for comedians and creatives
- Bob’s observations of post-COVID comedy
- How to be successful as a creative
- Next on Bob’s journey
Key Takeaways from Bob Sumner
- Your purpose doesn’t have to be your passion
- Surround yourself with people who inspire you
- Don’t be the guy just trying to get the check
- COVID is just a restart - be ready
- Always be creating
Contact Bob:
Facebook: .com/groups/130660473567
Twitter: twitter.com/bobsumner24
Instagram: Instagram.com/bob.sumner
Who am I?
I’m Shereen Kassam, the host of Creative Breakthrough and internationally touring speaker and comedian. If you are looking for a speaker to talk on topics including creativity, branding, or work life balance, get in touch! I am also open to being guest on your podcast, TV show, or other medium.
Contact me:
Email: hi @ funnybrowngirl.com
Facebook: facebook.com/funnybrowngirl
Twitter: twitter.com/funnybrowngirl
Instagram: Instagram.com/funnybrowngirl
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How to Start a Successful Side Hustle in 3 Steps
How to Start a Successful Side Hustle in 3 Steps
What is a side hustle - any activity outside of your day job that helps you make more money
Different types of side hustles - drive uber, doordash, taskrabbit, instacart...but I want to talk about side hustles that are not part-time jobs...I want to talk to you about not only a way to earn income from your creative endeavors but also as a path to being your own boss
This can be based on your creative passion or something you are good at
Do the best with the time you have but it’s important to find an idea that fits your lifestyle otherwise you will not give it the attention it deserves
That’s why i always feel the best side hustles are tied to your creativity and passion
So for me, my side hustles align with my passions and my purpose and enjoy it long-term - performing stand up comedy, doing a podcast, selling CBD, helping female entrepreneurs in Africa...
Not limited to selling a skill or talent, a digital product, a physical product, or a service
There are three key structures to having a successful side hustle
One - an idea - spend the most time, but don’t get analysis paralysis
Two - monetizing the idea
Is your idea is financially viable
Now not everyone is looking to make money from their hobby, but today I’m not talking about your hobbies, I’m talking about your side hustles - which is taking your hobbies and making money from them
No, you will not be rich right away, but overtime the goal is for your side hustle to be more than a side job. If you feel like it’s not going to get there, then it’s time to pivot.
Three - a way of getting people to know of such idea (market the idea)
- How will people find you your services?
Walk through podcast, CBD, comedy (didn’t start as a side hustle - know my worth now, asked to do speaking engagement, MC events), digital course (time but passive income)
Let’s talk about ideating your side hustle:
Musician - you can start a podcast, teach an online course, tutor kids
Writer - you can start a blog (jasmine darznik), join the gig economy like upwork and fiverr, freelance
Chef - start a youtube channel, write an ebook of recipes
Artist - create your own designs and start a print on demand business
Dancer - start a youtube channel, teach classes right now esp with covid (bollywood dancing)
If you are a creative listening right now, and are stuck and I didn’t mention your craft - message me and I’ll make sure to highlight it on the next episode [email protected] or DM me at funnybrowngirl
Second, how will you monetize your side hustle?
- Figure out how much your cost is to create your product/service
- Understand how much you want to make to set your price
- What’s your strategy - how many items do you need to make, clients do you need if you’re coaching, customers you need to sign up for your online course, viewers if you start a youtube channel
- How long will it take you to find these people to pay for your services
- Do not undervalue your services - no covid discount, friends or family discount, nothing
- Be realistic with your goals
- Patreon account
And lastly, how will you market your idea and find customers/clients
Figure out how you will spread the word
- If you made handmade crafts / digital products - website, etsy or shopify
- For 14 free days to try Shopify, use this link: www.funnybrowngirl.com/shopify
- Social media
- Friend and family
- newsletter/email list
- Youtube channel
- Your own platform - podcast, radio, blog, etc
If you are stuck, message me on Instagram @funnybrowngirl or email me at hi @ funnybrowngirl.com Once you have your idea, also let me know! I love hearing your wins!
Until then flex your creative muscle and keep winning!
References:
Try Shopify: www.funnybrowngirl.com/shopify
Who am I?
I’m Shereen Kassam, the host of Creative Breakthrough and internationally touring speaker and comedian. If you are looking for a speaker to talk on topics including creativity, branding, or work life balance, get in touch! I am also open to being guest on your podcast, TV show, or other medium.
Contact me:
Email: hi @ funnybrowngirl.com
Facebook: facebook.com/funnybrowngirl
Twitter: twitter.com/funnybrowngirl
Instagram: Instagram.com/funnybrowngirl
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