
Couchonomics with Arjun
Arjun Singh
A podcast dedicated to dissecting the seismic shifts reshaping the global financial system. This season, we journey beyond the MENA region, focusing on Saudi Arabia and exploring the innovations transforming commerce and society today.
Whether you're in the industry or eager to learn, tune in weekly for exciting new episodes.
This podcast is sponsored by Adyen, ToYou, Mastercard, Geidea, Thunes, and M2P Fintech.
About the host:
Arjun's expertise covers a broad range of areas including Fintech, Payments, Digital Assets, Embedded Finance, Application of Emerging Technologies, and the Emergence of New Business Models within the Financial Services Sector in the MEA region and globally.
Arjun is deeply engaged in the Tech Start-Up ecosystem. He serves as a passive investor, advisory board member, and a notable commentator on the rapidly evolving scene.
In recognition of his impactful contributions, Arjun was honored as a Top Voice of the region by LinkedIn in 2020.
Learn more at www.couchonomics.com.
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EP29 Surviving as a Fintech In The Current Market | Madhu and Prabhu, M2P
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10/05/22 • 43 min
Madhusudanan and Prabhu Rangarajan are the Co-founders of M2P, an innovative, India-born fintech company with ambitious expansion goals for Dubai. However, word on the streets suggests that the party is over for startups, fintech companies included. Madhu and Prabhu start the conversation by highlighting what sets them apart from other fintech companies and offer valuable insights into which fintech companies have what it takes to make it through this difficult time.
Innovation is one thing; sustainable innovation is a whole other story. Madhu’s unique lens into the true function of fintech suggests that the problem that fintech is solving, actually is inclusion. Prabhu offers the interesting perspective that smaller players possess the drive to go deeper, as opposed to broader, enabling them to occupy an advantaged position in the market.
We also discuss:
· Is the party really over for fintech startups or did it just move?
· Will incumbents emerge stronger than ever from the recent fintech bubble?
· What does M2P bring to MENA?
Timeline
00:00 – Introduction
03:00 – Valuation reset or something more foundational?
10:00 – Outlasting the downward spiral
18:00 – How embedded finance might grow in MENA
24:00 – Big banks, small banks and each of their roles
30:00 - Motivations for international expansion
36:00 – Democratizing financial access
41:00 – Conclusion
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HOST
Based in Dubai, Arjun is actively engaged with the Fintech & Start-up ecosystem across the MENA Region and beyond- as a passive investor, an advisory board member and as a commentator on the rapidly evolving scene.
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Couchonomics with Arjun Singh is brought to you by our
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Adyen, a reliable end-to-end payments solution that enables businesses to turn
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LuLu Financial Group, a global financial services provider headquartered in Abu Dhaband operating in 11 countries:
M2P, Asia’s leading payment infrastructure company that enables businesses of any
scale to embed financial products:
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EP16 Introducing Innovation to InsurTech | with Tanja Magas, Democrance
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07/07/22 • 29 min
The FinTech industry is rapidly expanding and evolving. New innovations and inventions spring up every day at every point in the financial world. In all this excitement, some segments become overlooked.
Insurance, bogged down by hundreds of years of tradition and legacy, is one of those neglected and forgotten segments. But Tanja Magas, Chief Data and Analytics Officer at Democrance, believes otherwise.
Democrance, a company initially founded to capitalize on the microinsurance market, has recently seen rapid expansion. Riding the wave of digitization brought on by the pandemic, the company has managed to double its size in the past two years. For Tanja, the secret to this success can be found in the numbers.
Other topics for this episode include:
- How digitization will transform insurance
- “The digital attacker”: a new business model for a new world
- Unlocking the hidden power of data for your business
Timeline:
00:00 — Introduction
01:38 — Creating space for innovation
07:01 — Origin and development of Democrance
13:17 — New engagement and distribution channels
23:10 — Metaverse and insurance
26:40 — Women in InsureTech
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HOST
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EP34 Weathering the Crypto Winter with Binance - Part Two │ Dominic Longman and Nadeem Ladki
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02/09/23 • 50 min
In the second part of our unprecedented 2-Part episode, we're diving into the technical aspects that make crypto possible to understand some of its most practical use cases. One of the most glamorous uses for crypto is obviously the possibility to make and receive payments.
Dominic Longman and Nadeem Ladki explore how the relationship between crypto and fiat currencies is pushing crypto towards evolving more as an ecosystem and less as an industry in the traditional sense. We also explore a slew of other topics such as:
- How CBDCs may affect the crypto market
- The growing role of regulations in the crypto market
- Crypto as a payments solution
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Special Episode: A Glimpse into SFF 2023 with Pat Patel
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11/01/23 • 28 min
Dive into the vibrant and ever-evolving world of FinTech as we explore the Singapore FinTech Festival (SFF) 2023 which is happening 15-17 November 2023. This is the global event where policy, finance, and technology not only meet but converge to reshape global economies.
Joining Arjun for this special episode is Pat Patel, the Executive Director of Elevandi. Having led the International FinTech Office at the Monetary Authority of Singapore (MAS) and played a pivotal role in shaping the digital economy, Pat offers a unique insider's perspective into the preparations and expectations of SFF.
Pat reveals some of the major industry leaders and key figures marking their presence at the event, including insights about Ajay Bhanga, the new president of the World Bank, and Eric Jing from Ant Group.
From policy discussions and financial tech showcases to its vast size resembling six giant warehouse hangers, Pat emphasizes the diversity and scale of the event. He also highlights the key thematic focuses of SFF this year, such as re-architecting the monetary system and the pivotal role of AI.
Other topics discussed:
- The significance of Ravi Menon's last festival address.
- Importance of talent pipelines in the global economic climate.
- The expansive evening festivities, turning Singapore's Club Street into a week-long street party.
- The challenge of navigating the vast offerings of SFF.
- Arjun's humorous take on the need for digital visiting cards and energy drinks to make the most of the festival.
Tune in to get a comprehensive understanding of what to expect from SFF 2023 and why, if you're serious about FinTech, it's an event you cannot afford to miss. Follow the journey with Arjun and Pat Patel as they discuss the nuances, attractions, and future trajectories of the festival. Don't miss out on this exclusive insider's view into the world's largest fintech event!
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EP32 Understanding Decentralized Autonomous Organizations & The Metaverse | Leila Hurstel, Chief Metaverse Officer at Verse Estate
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01/24/23 • 48 min
Leila Hurstel might have the coolest job title ever as the Chief Metaverse Officer at Verse Estate, but today she wears the title of guest on Couchonomics. Settling comfortably into the famous couch, Leila shares a brief overview of her time spent studying fintech at Harvard before pioneering the AllStarsWomen DAO.
Leila shares how the decentralized autonomous organization arose out of a deep desire to transform society, and how blockchain technology enables her to do that with a committed, dedicated community. Leila describes how community is key to many of the futuristic projects in the works, including the metaverse.
Regulation for the metaverse is still massively behind the curve, and in many ways, this represents the underdeveloped metaverse environment. However, Leila is quick to point out that this represents a massive potential for growth more than anything, and many companies have begun to recognize it.
Major corporations such as Gucci and Nike have taken to the metaverse for a more immersive experience, Leila explains. and the numbers indicate a massive underlying demand for the product, as up to 21 million people have actively interacted with the metaverse. Although the metaverse is, in many ways, still restricted to floating heads and half-bodies, Leila believes that this simply signals how early the market is in its ambitious development cycle. Leila points to interoperability as one of the main building blocks that will form the foundation of the metaverse.
Decentralization, distinctions from web 3.0 and much more: Leila gives a complete tour of everything you need to know about the fledgling metaverse.
Listen to the full episode now to discover how:
- Companies are making the jump into the Metaverse and how this will fuel the growth of the metaverse (05:00-15:00)
- The metaverse differs from web 3.0, and how the user-centric approach of web 3.0 will redefine modern instant communication (15:00-25:00)
- The metaverse is truly a multiverse. We also explore real-world applications of the metaverse, including digital twins and much more. (25:00-35:00)
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Couchonomics with Arjun: Season 02 | Official Trailer
Couchonomics with Arjun
01/10/23 • 2 min
Are you ready for Season 02 of Couchonomics? Building on the impressive momentum we managed to achieve in Season 01, we're diving even deeper into the world of finance and technology.
The way the world does finance is changing, and in Season 02 we're taking a closer look at some of the changes that will define the way we spend money in the future. What makes this time so exciting is the uncertainty and innovation hanging in the air.
Explore how banks intend to keep pace with our rapidly changing world using inventions such as central bank decentralized currencies, cooperating with founders of inventive fintechs to offer embedded finance, banking as a service, and much more.
Find out the answer to these questions and so much more on Couchonomics where we meet with innovators and regulators in the space to create a vivid illustration of the rapidly evolving financial services industry.
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Couchonomics with Arjun Season 03 is brought to you by our partners:
- Adyen https://www.adyen.com/
- ToYou https://toyou.io/ar
- Mastercard https://mastercard.com/
- Geidea https://geidea.net/
- M2P https://m2pfintech.com/
- Thunes https://www.thunes.com/
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EP30 Digital Innovation Drives Transformation in Banking Worldwide | Dr Bernd van Linder, Commercial Bank of Dubai
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10/12/22 • 42 min
When Dr Bernd van Linder attained his PhD in artificial intelligence over 20 years ago, the field was viewed as intensely academic with few practical applications. Not desiring to pursue an academic career, Dr Van Linder entered the world of finance in the early 2000s. Over his 20 plus year career he has slowly worked his way to CEO of Commercial Bank of Dubai.
In his new position, Dr Van Linder is excited to drive innovation and change in the region by expanding how banks view their competition. As consumers become conditioned to interfaces from some of the world’s biggest tech companies, they begin to expect that same level of ease and connection when it comes to dealing with their banks. Dr van Linder believes that the future will see an explosion of banks applying digital innovation across all levels, and he is focused on optimising the process from end to end.
Dr van Linder also shares his views on
- How decentralized finance will change the world of banking
- The importance of seeking talent beyond the banking industry
- A few differences between banking in Europe and banking in the UAE
Timeline
00:00 – Introduction
04:00 – Practical Applications of AI in Banking
10:00 – The War for Talent
19:00 – Ideas Accelerated by Covid
33:00 – Serving the Under-served
41:00 – Conclusion
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HOST
Based in Dubai, Arjun is actively engaged with the Fintech & Start-up ecosystem across the MENA Region and beyond- as a passive investor, an advisory board member and as a commentator on the rapidly evolving scene.
FINTECH NEWS
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PARTNERS
Couchonomics with Arjun Singh is brought to you by our
partners from:
Adyen, a reliable end-to-end payments solution that enables businesses to turn
payments into a strategic growth driver:
LuLu Financial Group, a global financial services provider headquartered in Abu Dhabi
and operating in 11 countries:
M2P, Asia’s leading payment infrastructure company that enables businesses of any
scale to embed financial products:
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EP04 The Future Of BNPL In The MENA Region | with Abdulmajeed Alsukhan, Tamara
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04/28/22 • 26 min
The "By Now, Pay Later" model has been around for 200 years. After being repackaged and rebranded countless times, it is currently one of the hottest spaces in FinTech, with BNPL accounting for 20% of e-commerce in countries such as Australia.
In this episode of Couchonomics, we are joined on the couch by a BNPL industry insider to get an informed perspective on this increasingly polarising topic. Abdulmajeed Alsukhan is the CEO and co-founder of Tamara, the leading Buy Now Pay Later provider in the MENA region.
Abdulmajeed and Arjun delved into the BNPL conversation, tackling questions around the risks customers face and how BNPLs are likely to grow and evolve in the MENA region in the coming years.
Get the answers to the burning questions:
What is the likelihood of BNPL expanding into other categories and appealing to broader age groups?
What measures is Tamara taking to minimise their customers' risks?
Whether the current business model of BNPL is sustainable, or if it will evolve in the future?
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HOST
Based in Dubai, Arjun is actively engaged with the Fintech & Start-up ecosystem across the MENA Region and beyond - as a passive investor, an advisory board member and as a commentator on the rapidly evolving scene.
FINTECH NEWS
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PARTNERS
Couchonomics with Arjun Singh is brought to you by our partners from:
Adyen, a reliable end-to-end payments solution that enables businesses to turn payments into a strategic growth driver: https://www.adyen.com/
LuLu Financial Group, a global financial services provider headquartered in Abu Dhabi and operating in 11 countries: https://www.lulufin.com/
M2P, Asia’s leading payment infrastructure company that enables businesses of any scale to embed financial products: https://m2pfintech.com/
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Ep 74: The story of the most recognizable fintechs in the MENA region with Mounir Nakhla
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03/25/24 • 42 min
Episode 5 of Season 3 is live now featuring Mounir Nakhla, Founder and CEO of MNT-Halan. Join us as we delve into the journey of MNT-Halan and the Egyptian fintech landscape. From ride-hailing to a financial super app, we cover it all in this insightful episode! Tune in for a glimpse into the world of fintech innovation!
#Fintech #MNTHalan #StartupJourney #couchonomics #tech #innovation #newepisode
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Timestamps:
00:00 - Episode Highlights
00:43 - Introduction
02:00 - MNT-Halan's story
05:23 - Creating a financial super app
08:12 - What makes MNT-Halan great
12:00 - Opportunities in the Egyptian market
15:55 - Microloans and consumer loans
18:58 - MNT-Halan's Impact on the Banking Sector
21:35 - Fintech Ecosystem in Egypt
24:36 - Impact of investors on startup direction
26:13 - Regulatory landscape in Egypt
28:02 - Egyptian companies going across the borders
32:02 - Opportunities of the Egyptian market for international fintech
37:32 - Future plans and strategies for MNT-Halan
40:49 - Talent scarcity and AI
42:00 - Closing words
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EP 65: Powering The Payments That Make The UAE Thrive with Jan Pilbauer
Couchonomics with Arjun
11/22/23 • 68 min
"We're behind the scenes. We make money move."
In the latest episode of Couchonomics, Arjun was joined by Jan Pilbauer, Chief Executive Officer of Al Etihad Payments, a national payments utility and fully owned subsidiary of the Central Bank of the UAE.
Al Etihad Payments recently launched Aani, a "payments experience" that allows you to make instant payments to people or merchants from your bank accounts, wallets, or other sources. We spent a good portion of the episode exploring this latest venture, and how it is furthering Al Etihad's mission of powering the payments that make the UAE thrive.
In the episode, Arjun and Jan spoke about:
- The emergence of national payment infrastructures, whether they're commercially owned, state-owned, or mutual/cooperative models
- All things Aani, from how Al Etihad identified this gap in the market to the problems they’re solving with this payment experience
- The unique challenges facing payments in the UAE, with the dichotomy of the region being digitally enabled but still relying strongly on cash in particular areas
- Trends shaping the payments sector, such as the technologies enabling transformation in the industry
- The cashless versus "less cash" debate and how it applies to MENA
- How to enable faster payments: will CBDCs help?
- Open finance and debit card innovations taking place in the UAE
- Opportunities in the space of B2B payments
- Future banking models and the challenges facing the adoption of open banking
If you, like Arjun, are a "payments geek", this episode is definitely one to add to your listening lineup for the week!
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Couchonomics with Arjun currently has 130 episodes available.
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The podcast is about Metaverse, Fintech, Management, Financial Literacy, Podcasts, Technology, Business and Financial Services.
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The episode title 'EP 68: State of the Nation: Venture Capital and Fintech Startups in KSA' is the most popular.
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The average episode length on Couchonomics with Arjun is 49 minutes.
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The first episode of Couchonomics with Arjun was released on Mar 30, 2022.
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