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[The UFO Rabbit Hole] Whistleblower David Grusch Reveals Existence of Secret UFO Crash Retrieval Program
06/09/23 • 50 min
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On Monday, June 5th, 2023, a story was published by The Debrief presenting claims from the first whistleblower to step forward publicly since the passing of UAP whistleblower legislation with the 2023 National Defense Authorization Act a few months ago. This whistleblower, David Charles Grusch, is a high-level member of the intelligence community, and he is claiming to have knowledge of special access programs that have recovered non-human technological craft.
Later that same day, an excerpt from an interview with the whistleblower conducted by investigative journalist, Ross Coulthart, was aired on NewsNation in which Rusch made even more shocking claims—including the allegation that the US has also recovered the bodies of the non-human pilots of these craft.
In this episode we do a deep dive into this story, doing our best to frame it within the great context of the disclosure movement, and ask the question: what does all this mean? And can what David Grusch is saying really be true?
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Theme: Cabinet of Curiosities by Shaun FrearsonTIMESTAMPS
00:30 Introduction
03:14 What Makes This Story So Significant?
07:10 Why Wasn’t The UFO Whistleblower Story In The New York Times?
10:02 What Led Up To This?
10:17 -Luis Elizondo & the 2017 New York Times Article
12:31 -The UAP Task Force
14:02 -AARO
16:50 -2023 NDAA
17:10 What Is David Charles Grusch?
20:10 Who Did Grusch Talk To?
20:42 What Did Grusch Tell Congress?
23:35 Wait—So David Grusch Never Saw The Craft Or Bodies?
27:19 How Do We Know David Grusch Is Who He Says He Is?
27:57 -Karl E. Nell
28:27 -Christopher Mellon
29:13 -Jonathan Grey
30:43 -Jim Shell
31:32 Retaliation and Disclosure of Urgent Concerns
34:02 David Grusch’s Interview with Ross Coulthart
37:08 Thoughts on the Interview
40:23 The Implications of Grusch’s Allegations
47:57 Pentagon Response
48:14 What Can We Do?
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On Monday, June 5th, 2023, a story was published by The Debrief presenting claims from the first whistleblower to step forward publicly since the passing of UAP whistleblower legislation with the 2023 National Defense Authorization Act a few months ago. This whistleblower, David Charles Grusch, is a high-level member of the intelligence community, and he is claiming to have knowledge of special access programs that have recovered non-human technological craft.
Later that same day, an excerpt from an interview with the whistleblower conducted by investigative journalist, Ross Coulthart, was aired on NewsNation in which Rusch made even more shocking claims—including the allegation that the US has also recovered the bodies of the non-human pilots of these craft.
In this episode we do a deep dive into this story, doing our best to frame it within the great context of the disclosure movement, and ask the question: what does all this mean? And can what David Grusch is saying really be true?
NEW Class from Dr. James Madden
Unidentified Flying Hyperobject: UFOs, Philosophy, and the End of the World
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Wednesdays, March 27 – April 24 (skips April 10), 2024
7 – 9 pm ET
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GET THE EPISODE BRIEF
GET THE BOOK
Get a SIGNED COPY
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MUSIC
Theme: Cabinet of Curiosities by Shaun FrearsonTIMESTAMPS
00:30 Introduction
03:14 What Makes This Story So Significant?
07:10 Why Wasn’t The UFO Whistleblower Story In The New York Times?
10:02 What Led Up To This?
10:17 -Luis Elizondo & the 2017 New York Times Article
12:31 -The UAP Task Force
14:02 -AARO
16:50 -2023 NDAA
17:10 What Is David Charles Grusch?
20:10 Who Did Grusch Talk To?
20:42 What Did Grusch Tell Congress?
23:35 Wait—So David Grusch Never Saw The Craft Or Bodies?
27:19 How Do We Know David Grusch Is Who He Says He Is?
27:57 -Karl E. Nell
28:27 -Christopher Mellon
29:13 -Jonathan Grey
30:43 -Jim Shell
31:32 Retaliation and Disclosure of Urgent Concerns
34:02 David Grusch’s Interview with Ross Coulthart
37:08 Thoughts on the Interview
40:23 The Implications of Grusch’s Allegations
47:57 Pentagon Response
48:14 What Can We Do?
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-ufo-rabbit-hole-podcast--5746035/support.
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