
Physics of Life, Ep 2: How do we identify life?
02/14/24 • 33 min
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Guests:
- Ricard Solé, External Professor at the Santa Fe Institute, Head of the Complex Systems Lab at Universitat Pompeu Fabra
- Sara Walker, External Professor at the Santa Fe Institute, Associate Director of the ASU-SFI Center for Biosocial Complex Systems
Hosts: Abha Eli Phoboo & Chris Kempes
Producer: Katherine Moncure
Podcast theme music by: Mitch Mignano
Other music: Matucha, Kijjaz, Klankbeeld, Aesterial-Arts, Dijifishmusic, Greenvwbeetle, Odilon Marcenaro, Jobro, Benboncan, Bone666138, Aiwha, Josh Berry, Rubenvvuuren, and Miksmusic
Follow us on: Twitter • YouTube • Facebook • Instagram • LinkedIn • Bluesky
SFI programs:
- Complexity Explorer: Origins of Life
- Education
Books & Films:
- Frankenstein, directed by James Whale, based on book by Mary Shelley
- The Computer and the Brain, by John von Neumann
- Signs of life: How complexity pervades biology by Ricard V. Solé and Brian C. Goodwin
Talks:
- Liquid and Solid Brains: Mapping the Cognition Space by Ricard Solé
- Evolving Brains: Solid, Liquid and Synthetic by Ricard Solé
- A Universal Theory of Life: Math, Art & Information by Sara Walker
Papers & Articles:
- “Assembly theory explains and quantifies selection and evolution” in Nature (October 4, 2023) doi.org/10.1038/s41586-023-06600-9
- “Time is an object” in Aeon, May 19, 2023
- “The Algorithmic Origins of Life” in Journal of the Royal Society Interface (February 6, 2013) doi.org/10.1098/rsif.2012.0869
- “Evolution of Brains and Computers: The Roads Not Taken” in Entropy (May 9, 2022), doi.org/10.3390/e24050665
- “Unicellular–multicellular evolutionary branching driven by resource limitations” (June 2, 2022) doi.org/10.1098/rsif.2022.0018
Guests:
- Ricard Solé, External Professor at the Santa Fe Institute, Head of the Complex Systems Lab at Universitat Pompeu Fabra
- Sara Walker, External Professor at the Santa Fe Institute, Associate Director of the ASU-SFI Center for Biosocial Complex Systems
Hosts: Abha Eli Phoboo & Chris Kempes
Producer: Katherine Moncure
Podcast theme music by: Mitch Mignano
Other music: Matucha, Kijjaz, Klankbeeld, Aesterial-Arts, Dijifishmusic, Greenvwbeetle, Odilon Marcenaro, Jobro, Benboncan, Bone666138, Aiwha, Josh Berry, Rubenvvuuren, and Miksmusic
Follow us on: Twitter • YouTube • Facebook • Instagram • LinkedIn • Bluesky
SFI programs:
- Complexity Explorer: Origins of Life
- Education
Books & Films:
- Frankenstein, directed by James Whale, based on book by Mary Shelley
- The Computer and the Brain, by John von Neumann
- Signs of life: How complexity pervades biology by Ricard V. Solé and Brian C. Goodwin
Talks:
- Liquid and Solid Brains: Mapping the Cognition Space by Ricard Solé
- Evolving Brains: Solid, Liquid and Synthetic by Ricard Solé
- A Universal Theory of Life: Math, Art & Information by Sara Walker
Papers & Articles:
- “Assembly theory explains and quantifies selection and evolution” in Nature (October 4, 2023) doi.org/10.1038/s41586-023-06600-9
- “Time is an object” in Aeon, May 19, 2023
- “The Algorithmic Origins of Life” in Journal of the Royal Society Interface (February 6, 2013) doi.org/10.1098/rsif.2012.0869
- “Evolution of Brains and Computers: The Roads Not Taken” in Entropy (May 9, 2022), doi.org/10.3390/e24050665
- “Unicellular–multicellular evolutionary branching driven by resource limitations” (June 2, 2022) doi.org/10.1098/rsif.2022.0018
Previous Episode

Physics of Life, Ep 1: What can physics tell us about ourselves?
Guests:
- Vijay Balasubramanian, External Professor at the Santa Fe Institute, Cathy and Marc Lasry Professor of Physics at the University of Pennsylvania
- Geoffrey West, Shannan Distinguished Professor and Past President, Santa Fe Institute
Hosts: Abha Eli Phoboo & Chris Kempes
Producer: Katherine Moncure
Podcast theme music: Mitch Mignano
Other Music: Blue Dot Sessions, Pink House Music, Eardeer, and Craig Smith.
Follow us on: Twitter • YouTube • Facebook • Instagram • LinkedIn • Bluesky
SFI programs:
- Complexity Global School
- Complexity Explorer: Fractals & Scaling
- Education
Books & Stories:
- Tell Me Why by Arkady Leokum
- Scale by Geoffrey West
- “Funes, the Memorious” by Jorge Luis Borges
Talks:
- How the Brain Makes You: Collective Intelligence and Computation by Neural Circuits by Vijay Balasubramanian
- The Future of the Planet: Life, Growth and Death in Organisms, Cities and Companies by Geoffrey West
- Energy, Scaling & The Future of Life on Earth by Geoffrey West
- Complex Time Working Group: “What is Sleep?” with Geoffrey West, Van Savage, Alex Herman
Papers:
- “Brain Power” in PNAS (August 2, 2021) doi.org/10.1073/pnas.210702211
- “The Physical Effects of Learning” preprint published in biorxiv
- “Unraveling why we sleep: Quantitative analysis reveals abrupt transition from neural reorganization to repair in early development” in Science Advances (September 18, 2020) DOI: 10.1126/sciadv.aba0398
- “The Scales That Limit: The Physical Boundaries of Evolution” in Frontiers in Ecology and Evolution (August 7, 2019) doi.org/10.3389/fevo.2019.00242
Next Episode

Physics of Life, Ep 3: Why is life so diverse?
Guests:
- Brian Enquist, External Professor at the Santa Fe Institute, Professor of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology at University of Arizona
- Pablo Marquet, External Professor at the Santa Fe Institute, Professor at Institute of Ecology and Biodiversity, Pontificia Universidad Católica de Chile
Hosts: Abha Eli Phoboo & Chris Kempes
Producer: Katherine Moncure
Podcast theme music by: Mitch Mignano
Other music: Craig Smith, Justkiddink, MaestroALF, ComputerHotline, James Ro Davidson, SoundEnsemble, Trundlefly, Geoff Bremner, Newagesgroup, Oddmonoliths, Thepla
Follow us on:
Twitter • YouTube • Facebook • Instagram • LinkedIn • Bluesky
More info:
SFI programs: Education
Complexity Explorer: Origins of Life: Astrobiology & General Theories for Life - Scaling with Pablo Marquet
Books:
- Scale by Geoffrey West
- Scaling Biodiversity (Ecological Reviews) edited by David Storch, Pablo Marquet , James Brown
- How Landscapes Change: Human Disturbance and Ecosystem Fragmentation in the Americas (Ecological Studies Book 162) edited by Gay A. Bradshaw and Pablo A. Marquet
Talks:
Papers & Articles:
- “More than 17,000 tree species are at risk from rapid global change,” in Nature Communications (January 2, 2024), doi.org/10.1038/s41467-023-44321-9
- “Metastatic cells exploit their stoichiometric niche in the network of cancer ecosystems,” in Science Advances (December 13, 2023), doi: 10.1126/sciadv.adi79
- “Environmental heterogeneity as a driver of terrestrial biodiversity on a global scale” in PPG: Earth and Environment (August 11, 2023), doi.org/10.1177/03091333231189045
- “The number of tree species on Earth,” PNAS (Jan 31, 2022), doi.org/10.1073/pnas.2115329119
- “Globally important plant functional traits for coping with climate change,” in Frontiers of Biogeography (October 2, 2021), doi.org/10.21425/F5FBG53774
- “Scaling from Traits to Ecosystems: Developing a General Trait Driver Theory via Integrating Trait-Based and Metabolic Scaling Theories,” Advances in Ecological
- Research (May 4, 2015), doi.org/10.1016/bs.aecr.2015.02.001
- “A general quantitative theory of forest structure and dynamics,” PNAS (April 28, 2009), doi.org/10.1073/pnas.0812294106
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