Expert CIA Analysis - Africa, China, Russia, DRC, M23 | Two CIA Legends and Case Officers Share Insights
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01/31/25 • 27 min
Today we have a fascinating discussion with two CIA legends from the Directorate of Operations: Glenn Corn and Paul Kepp. Both served for over 30 years in the government, most of that with the CIA and both served as Chiefs of Station at some of the most important posts in the world, leading from the frontlines.
Glenn brought Paul on to discuss what’s going on in Africa in terms of Russian and increasing Chinese influence, regional players like Turkey and UAE, and specifically recent flare ups in the Democratic Republic of Congo or DRC with Tutsi militia group M23 taking over Goma.
We cover what that means for the DRC, Rwanda, the people, regional players, global players, and the United States, particularly with a new administration in place.
Please enjoy this deep dive from two legends discussing a topic that both feel deserves our attention globally.
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Show Notes:
00:00 Introduction 00:48 Geopolitical Importance of Africa 02:58 Russia and China's Influence in Africa 06:17 Current Crisis in the DRC 07:11 Historical Context of the Conflict 09:02 Rwanda's Role and International Interests 16:22 US Administration's Response 24:18 Humanitarian Impact and Future Prospects 27:10 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
Today we have a fascinating discussion with two CIA legends from the Directorate of Operations: Glenn Corn and Paul Kepp. Both served for over 30 years in the government, most of that with the CIA and both served as Chiefs of Station at some of the most important posts in the world, leading from the frontlines.
Glenn brought Paul on to discuss what’s going on in Africa in terms of Russian and increasing Chinese influence, regional players like Turkey and UAE, and specifically recent flare ups in the Democratic Republic of Congo or DRC with Tutsi militia group M23 taking over Goma.
We cover what that means for the DRC, Rwanda, the people, regional players, global players, and the United States, particularly with a new administration in place.
Please enjoy this deep dive from two legends discussing a topic that both feel deserves our attention globally.
Check out our Combat Story Newsletter at www.combatstory.com/newsletter
Find Ryan Online:
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📸 Instagram: @combatstory https://www.instagram.com/combatstory
📘 Facebook: @combatstoryofficial https://fb.me/combatstoryofficial
📖 Learn more about Ryan: https://www.combatstory.com/aboutus
🎵 Intro Song: Sport Rock from Audio Jungle
Show Notes:
00:00 Introduction 00:48 Geopolitical Importance of Africa 02:58 Russia and China's Influence in Africa 06:17 Current Crisis in the DRC 07:11 Historical Context of the Conflict 09:02 Rwanda's Role and International Interests 16:22 US Administration's Response 24:18 Humanitarian Impact and Future Prospects 27:10 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
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Elite UK Para Sniper Hugh Keir | Surviving the Siege of Musa Qala | Gallantry Award
Today we hear a Combat Story from our brothers across the pond with a veteran and sniper from the UK’s elite Parachute Regiment or Paras, Hugh Keir. Hugh deployed to Iraq twice, Afghanistan three times, in addition to Northern Ireland and the Falklands.
Hugh survived the infamous siege of Musa Qala (you’ll be fascinated to hear about this experience and it will make you appreciate just how brutal fighting can be at times) where he and his unit were infiled into a brutal fighting position in Afghanistan completely surrounded by the Taliban. He was also recognized with a gallantry award for his actions in Helmand Province in 200 in just one of his several Afghan deployments.
Since leaving the military, Hugh has worked as a Close Protection Officer in the Middle East and in the UK, and is the host of the H-Hour Podcast, a long form conversation hosted with guests that have included politicians, actors, psychologists, UFC fighters, authors, campaigners, veterans, and more.
I hope you enjoy this deep dive from our close partners over in the UK as much as I did.
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Show Notes:
00:00 Introduction 00:28 Introduction to Combat Story 00:47 Meet Hugh Heyer: UK Parachute Regiment Sniper 03:43 Growing Up in Wales 09:17 Joining the Military 26:00 Training Challenges and Selection 33:18 Bloody Sunday and Personal Connections 34:46 Marching Season in Ireland 37:34 Experiences in Iraq 42:40 Sniper Training and Promotion 49:20 First Firefight in Afghanistan 58:08 The Siege of Musa Qala 01:07:31 Facing Ammunition Shortages 01:09:35 Enduring Relentless Attacks 01:11:01 Casualties and Morale 01:15:31 Negotiating with the Taliban 01:16:18 The Unexpected Evacuation 01:18:43 Reflecting on the Siege 01:25:57 Gallantry Award and Strike Operations 01:35:28 Starting the H-Hour Podcast 01:38:39 Sentimental Keepsakes and Final Reflections 01:40:42 Conclusion and Podcast Promotion
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Killing 3 Enemy Tanks in 10 Seconds | HR McMaster | Army General & National Security Advisor | Battle of 73 Easting
Today is an amazing Combat Story as we sit down with the legendary retired three star General HR McMaster whose 34 years of service included everything from spearheading the last great tank-on-tank engagement in the famous Battle of 73 Easting to serving as President Trump’s National Security Advisor.
McMaster has been a dream interview for our program for years and it does not disappoint. We cover so much in this episode from exactly what it felt like in the tanks on that fateful day taking on and destroying the Tawalkana Division of the Iraqi Republican Guard in minutes to leading a Cavalry Regiment that successfully and overwhelmingly destroyed Al Qaida in Tal Afar in Iraq in 2006 (it’s an amazing description of combined arms warfare) to chance encounters with world leaders like Henry Kissinger.
We spend some time discussing the General’s most recent book, At War With Ourselves about his time in Trump’s White House. It’s an amazing look inside what the West Wing is really like and the decisions that have to be made and personalities that need to be managed. Fans of this show will love this book.
We get McMaster’s perspective from the Battle of 73 Easting but if you want an even more detailed description of that battle, check out our interview with McMaster’s Platoon Leader Tim Gauthier who was a part of that fight https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O10yS95ak5M
I sincerely hope you enjoy this glimpse into one of our country’s greatest and most selfless leaders as much as I did.
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🎵 Intro Song: Sport Rock from Audio Jungle
Show Notes:
00:00 Introduction 00:42 Introduction to Combat Story 01:01 Interview with General H. R. McMaster Begins 02:34 Discussing Competitiveness and Sports 05:25 McMaster's Military Background and Family Influence 07:02 Love for History and Reading Habits 11:20 Training and Leadership in the Military 23:03 Path to Becoming an Armor Officer 30:15 Preparation for the Battle of 73 Easting 36:22 Frustration and Anticipation on the Battlefield 37:22 Encountering the Enemy: First Skirmishes 38:18 Rain, Fog, and Sandstorm: The Challenges of Movement 39:59 Engaging the Enemy: The Battle Begins 40:49 Tactical Maneuvers and Repairs 42:19 The Heat of Battle: Tank Engagements 49:24 Operation Restoring Rights: A New Challenge 51:23 The Strategy and Execution of Operation Restoring Rights 01:03:19 Reflecting on Leadership and Service 01:13:57 Closing Thoughts and ReflectionsCombat Story - Expert CIA Analysis - Africa, China, Russia, DRC, M23 | Two CIA Legends and Case Officers Share Insights
Transcript
Glenn and Paul. Thank you for taking time to talk through, uh, another hotspot in the world. This time, Africa, first time for us, Glenn, of course. And for those who are listening, um, obviously, uh, you know, me, Ryan, uh, spent time in the army and the CIA, but I have to say we've got two folks on the call. I wouldn't even say that I was in the same agency as them given their backgrounds, but. You're, uh, well acquainted with Glenn. We've talked Middle East, we've
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