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Business Lunch - How to Buy Businesses with Zero Money Down

How to Buy Businesses with Zero Money Down

12/06/21 • 15 min

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Business Lunch

There are three ways to buy a business—a normal acquisition, a no-money-down acquisition, and a no-money-out-of-pocket acquisition.

Of those three kinds of deals, Roland Frasier has a favorite. Roland has bought and sold a lot of businesses over the course of his career, so he knows what he’s talking about. In this bite-sized snackable episode, he shares which acquisition deal is his favorite and why—and how you can make it happen for yourself.

3 Types of Deals and the Distinctions Between Them

A lot of people ask Roland what the ROI is on no-money-down deals, but first you need to make a distinction between the three main types of deals.

  1. Traditional acquisition deals
  2. No-money-down acquisition deals
  3. No-money-out-of-pocket acquisition deals.

With a traditional acquisition deal, you need a lender, whether that’s a bank or a fund or an individual or an SPAC (special purpose acquisition company) or whatever. Typically, they’ll provide 70%-90% of the funding. That’s going to be debt. These creditors will loan you this money, then expect you to come up with the difference, the down payment. They typically don’t want that to be borrowed. It has to be your money so you have skin in the game.

Let’s say you’re going to acquire a $5M company. You get a loan for $4.5M and put $500k of your own money down. You do some cool things with it, grow it, and sell it for $10M. That’s a 100% return on your investment, but it’s a 2000% return on your $500k down payment.

That’s when we start thinking of more creatively financed deals, where we’re not coming out of pocket at all. That means our ROI is really going to be infinite, because we have zero investment.

The first kind of deal where you’ll get infinite return is no money down. These are rare as you get into larger deals. There is literally no money going into the seller’s pocket at closing. You’ve got to find a seller that’s totally cool with 100% financing. These deals are very common in small companies, but less common as you get above $1M. You’re probably buying a company from a motivated seller that’s not that great.

The quality of deals, size of deals, and number of available deals with a “no money down” deal is pretty low.

The “No Money Out Of Pocket” Deal

In between the “no money down” deal and the traditional deal is a deal Roland likes to do, and that’s called “no money out of pocket.” No money out of pocket is significantly different because the sellers often receive a whole lot of cash at closing. The only difference is that it’s not coming out of your pocket. And you don’t have to tap your personal credit or assets.

Roland and his team have come up with 219 different ways you can finance your company without getting a commercial loan, and adding to that list all the time. They teach this in an 8-week course, and even then they don’t scratch the surface. What it boils down to is that you’re using the assets that exist in the company and some other creative financing techniques to provide the seller with whatever down payment they want at closing.

You can do hybrid deals where you use some of these strategies and some commercial loans, but it’s really fun to play the game of “how can I do this without any commercial lending?” One thing you can do from the standpoint of credit is use an SPV (special purpose vehicle), a company that’s set up for a special purpose of acquiring the business.

Those are the three types of deals you’re looking at doing. When we think of ROI, we’ve had to come out of pocket zero dollars, we’ve gotten the seller money at closing, so it increases how many deals are available, and we’ve come up with creative ways of financing. And we’re not limited to how much money we have.

When you do a no money out of pocket deal, it’s a win win win. You can buy an infinite number of companies, you don’t have a capital constraint of a down payment, and your return is infinite.

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There are three ways to buy a business—a normal acquisition, a no-money-down acquisition, and a no-money-out-of-pocket acquisition.

Of those three kinds of deals, Roland Frasier has a favorite. Roland has bought and sold a lot of businesses over the course of his career, so he knows what he’s talking about. In this bite-sized snackable episode, he shares which acquisition deal is his favorite and why—and how you can make it happen for yourself.

3 Types of Deals and the Distinctions Between Them

A lot of people ask Roland what the ROI is on no-money-down deals, but first you need to make a distinction between the three main types of deals.

  1. Traditional acquisition deals
  2. No-money-down acquisition deals
  3. No-money-out-of-pocket acquisition deals.

With a traditional acquisition deal, you need a lender, whether that’s a bank or a fund or an individual or an SPAC (special purpose acquisition company) or whatever. Typically, they’ll provide 70%-90% of the funding. That’s going to be debt. These creditors will loan you this money, then expect you to come up with the difference, the down payment. They typically don’t want that to be borrowed. It has to be your money so you have skin in the game.

Let’s say you’re going to acquire a $5M company. You get a loan for $4.5M and put $500k of your own money down. You do some cool things with it, grow it, and sell it for $10M. That’s a 100% return on your investment, but it’s a 2000% return on your $500k down payment.

That’s when we start thinking of more creatively financed deals, where we’re not coming out of pocket at all. That means our ROI is really going to be infinite, because we have zero investment.

The first kind of deal where you’ll get infinite return is no money down. These are rare as you get into larger deals. There is literally no money going into the seller’s pocket at closing. You’ve got to find a seller that’s totally cool with 100% financing. These deals are very common in small companies, but less common as you get above $1M. You’re probably buying a company from a motivated seller that’s not that great.

The quality of deals, size of deals, and number of available deals with a “no money down” deal is pretty low.

The “No Money Out Of Pocket” Deal

In between the “no money down” deal and the traditional deal is a deal Roland likes to do, and that’s called “no money out of pocket.” No money out of pocket is significantly different because the sellers often receive a whole lot of cash at closing. The only difference is that it’s not coming out of your pocket. And you don’t have to tap your personal credit or assets.

Roland and his team have come up with 219 different ways you can finance your company without getting a commercial loan, and adding to that list all the time. They teach this in an 8-week course, and even then they don’t scratch the surface. What it boils down to is that you’re using the assets that exist in the company and some other creative financing techniques to provide the seller with whatever down payment they want at closing.

You can do hybrid deals where you use some of these strategies and some commercial loans, but it’s really fun to play the game of “how can I do this without any commercial lending?” One thing you can do from the standpoint of credit is use an SPV (special purpose vehicle), a company that’s set up for a special purpose of acquiring the business.

Those are the three types of deals you’re looking at doing. When we think of ROI, we’ve had to come out of pocket zero dollars, we’ve gotten the seller money at closing, so it increases how many deals are available, and we’ve come up with creative ways of financing. And we’re not limited to how much money we have.

When you do a no money out of pocket deal, it’s a win win win. You can buy an infinite number of companies, you don’t have a capital constraint of a down payment, and your return is infinite.

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undefined - Handing Over the Day-to-Day of Your Business with Cody Bjugan, Founder of VestRight

Handing Over the Day-to-Day of Your Business with Cody Bjugan, Founder of VestRight

Are you getting in the way of your company growing, scaling, and becoming all it can be? Maybe it’s time to hand over the reins and step away.

In today’s episode, host Roland Frasier sits down with Cody Bjugan, Founder of VestRight, a company that transforms lives through real estate. Specifically, they teach people how to put together raw land deals in the real estate space. Cody recently handed the company over to a CEO and stepped into a founder/visionary role.

Listen in as he shares his entrepreneurial journey, mistakes he made along the way, and the challenges of handing over your business so it can continue to grow.

An Early Start to the Entrepreneurial Journey

When Cody was 12 years old, he loved to collect sports cards. He grew up in the small town of Damascus, Oregon with its solitary streetlight, and he’d go to the flea market on the weekends. He’d set up a booth and buy, sell, and trade sports cards.

Cody’s grandfather was a homebuilder and land developer. He passed away when Cody was 15, but Cody still pulls inspiration from his life and accomplishments. His father had the spirit but didn’t have the mindset to be successful as an entrepreneur. He got injured and never got back to self-employment after that. Cody says he programmed himself not to give up like his father had done when he was met with failure.

When Cody turned 15, he bought his first car for $800. Throughout high school, he bought and sold cars, put lipstick on them, and turned them. He had plans to go to college, but his girlfriend got pregnant, and he got married two months after high school instead. He entered the workforce in the floor and counter industry in the union to get health benefits to pay for his unborn child.

His coworkers told him he was so lucky to be starting at 19, because he could retire when he was 40. But all he could think was, “I’m miserable. Why would I want to be miserable for my most prime 20 years?” As soon as he got health insurance, and the baby was born, he bailed, and got a job in a private business in the same industry.

Unfortunately, he says, he failed his family, hobbies, health, and spirit by becoming a workaholic. He took this company that was doing $70k a month and turned it into a business doing $1M a month. He was making really good money in his early 20s, but it came at a high cost.

He had gotten to know a lot of homebuilders and land developers as clients. One thing led to another, he networked, and in 2002, he faced his fears and jumped off the cliff into the land development space. It’s been a journey, he says. Entrepreneurship isn’t easy.

The Importance of Mentorship

Cody made a phone call recently. He reached out to the guy who gave him that first job after he left the union and thanked him. He says, looking back, that man was his first mentor.

He admits that he never put much value in mentorship until three years ago. He would always say he was an introvert and wouldn’t put himself out there. He would fly under the radar, hide under rocks. It was just an excuse, he says. He didn’t want to be uncomfortable.

He has joined a few masterminds where he seeks mentorship from groups of individuals. “I’ve grown more in the last three years than I did the previous 18 years of my career,” he says. “I’ve allowed people to speak into my life and help me see things in a different way.” He says he went into these relationships with two important perspectives:

  1. If I don’t go in there being real and transparent and vulnerable, these guys won’t get to know the real me and be able to touch me like they could.
  2. I’m here to also give and pour into their lives.

He says he’s still growing in that second area. He’s always had a giving heart when it comes to money, but giving of himself and his time has been a huge process for him.

He recently hired an executive coach to help him through his newest transition, and he’s really excited about that.

Handing Over the Reins of the Company

This year Cody stepped into the visionary/founder box of his company. He brought in a CEO, and it made him realize he has a lot to work through. He’s always believed in empowerment and letting people do their own thing, but it was a lot harder when it came to handing over his baby.

In 2020, he had an aha moment that his identity was his company and his company’s identity was him. Yes, he had made a lot of money. But at the end of the day, he had a vision of what he wanted his company to be, and he had to humble himself and realize that he was actually the reason the company wasn’t getting there.

“In order for the company to scale across the country and do the things we wanted to do based on my unique business model,” he says, “I had to get out of the way.”

To find his CEO, he hired a headhunter, interviewed to...

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undefined - Building a $10 Billion Dollar Company with Karl Alomar, Former COO of Digital Ocean

Building a $10 Billion Dollar Company with Karl Alomar, Former COO of Digital Ocean

As an entrepreneur, if you want something, and you can map out the journey, there’s no reason why you can’t make it happen.

On today’s episode, host Roland Frasier sits down with Karl Alomar, Managing Partner at M13. Karl has achieved massive success as an entrepreneur, and his journey is inspiring. He’s a strong believer in the mantra nothing ventured, nothing gained. “The stuff outside the box is what creates great businesses,” he says. “I admire the founders who have the guts to go out and make the world different.”

He says there’s a difference between ideas that sound crazy (and really are) and ideas that sound crazy, but when you think about them logically, there’s a journey to get you there.

Karl’s Diverse Entrepreneurial Experience

Karl’s entrepreneurial journey began in the late 90’s when he started a video networking company. He exited in 2000 when they were on the downswing of value. His background was actually in engineering, but that degree wasn’t helping him much in the business world, so he decided to go to business school and get an MBA.

He says he would do it all over again. The first 3-6 months of the MBA program is basics, and things started making sense to him that he’d previously faked his way through. He could hardly read a financial statement properly with his first business. He says he built that business with “guts and glory” and really didn’t understand much of what was going on. By the time he finished his business degree, he got really good at fundamentals.

He started a company called China Export Finance. His first engineering job involved doing projects in Asia, China in particular. And he grew up in Europe, so he was used to different cultures. “Different markets are very different,” he says. “You have to understand the customers.”

He partnered with a friend in London who really understood the sourcing problem and illustrated it for him. Once they had the framework, he flew to Shanghai and sourced a handful of local talent. He wanted to create an entity that felt really open. He found a great Chinese business partner who helped him set up the Shanghai office and create a localized feel so the customers were comfortable.

After China Export, he made a few small investments, then accepted the COO position at Digital Ocean in 2013. They had just launched a few months earlier. When he came in, they were at $50k/month. When he left, they were doing $250M a year.

How He Orchestrated that Significant Growth

Karl says there are two parts of growth: things that drive it and things that allow you to manage it and keep up with it. Essentially: growing and scaling. He says that failure is usually more of a lack of ability to manage it. It’s a scale challenge, not a growth challenge.

Right out of the gate, Digital Ocean built a machine that was organically building on it. They had a simple model, clean offering, relationship with community, and great content. It was an incredible recipe for creating an engine that would build on itself. The formula was built to create a perpetual engine that would grow. One of the key learnings he says he’d pass on is that it’s never too early to figure out how you’re going to grow your organization.

“Think about what you want to get done, and think about mapping out the journey of how you get there,” he says. “Is it a logical journey? It may not make sense by the standards and expectations of the current market, but how is the market changing? What are the key components and how do they connect, and is each one realistic? If you can figure those out, there’s no reason you can’t go out there and make it happen.”

Karl says there are two positions you need as you grow. When you grow so much that you can’t touch everyone, you need a Head of Talent. It’s not about hiring; it’s about optimizing the performance of your organization. This person is focused 100% on culture, energy, and productivity. They’re incredibly valuable and will lift your delivery and performance 20%. He doesn’t like HR as a word. “Humans aren’t resources; they’re talent,” he says.

Technical Program Manager is the second position. When Karl hired this person, the organization of their work and allocation of their resources was uplifted, leading to a 20% increase in their organization. This person is someone in the middle coordinating traffic. Both of these positions are essential once you have 20-50 people working for you.

How Is Investing Different From Leading a Company?

“Go try something you haven’t tried before,” Karl says, “and you’ll find a bunch of weaknesses.” His tendency as an entrepreneur has always been innovation. He’s always been inspired by founders and the guts they have to do the things they do. As an investor, he’ll never be at the table every day executing with these people. He says you have to believe that you’r...

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