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Breaking Art: The Podcast

Jason Naylor

The alchemy of Creativity & Commerce: making art vs. making money

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Designer Charli Marie is soooo much more than just a designer.

Charli is passionate about helping creatives improve their craft and process.

But, Charli is also passionate about side projects. The side hustle.

Charli is in the enviable position of having a very steady and reliable income, doing something she loves, and yet still using her time wisely to pursue her side projects.

Her side projects include a YouTube channel (and not just any old YouTube channel, but a particularly popular one), a podcast, t-shirts and prints, and so much more.

Charli makes time for the side hustle, and the side hustles repay her in more ways than you can imagine. Her side projects – how she uses her extra time – are helping her live the life she wants.

So much more than just a designer, today’s guest is Charli Marie. Enjoy!

Website: Charli Marie
ConvertKit: ConvertKit
Youtube channel: charlimarietv
Design Life podcast:
Dribbble: @charliprangley
Twitter: @charliprangley
Instagram: @charliprangley

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The eryngium giganteum – aka Miss Willmott’s ghost – is a thistle, a sharp prickly plant.

Yet for someone who collects – thoughts, ideas, images, inspiration – this prickly plant provided a huge source of inspiration and enabled her to create pure art.

“what could I live with on my walls”

She answered the question: “what could I live with on my walls”, and created beautiful imagery, sold prints, produced a book, and has gone onto further wild and wonderful things.

By opening our lives to more things – by living a varied existence – even prickly little plants like eryngium giganteum can spark ideas and inspiration, and help us to create art that we love. That the world loves.

Today’s guest, Photographer Catherine Cattanach, is a photographer, artist, and collector.

Join us as we discuss her background in journalism before photography, becoming an MWAC, enjolying and then burning out from weddings, the business of headshots, seeking mentoring, the value of awards, selling art that you love, and yes – that prickly plant.

Catherine Cattanach, Master and Fellow of Photography, NZ Institute of Professional Photography (NZIPP)

– Fuji X Photographer
– NZIPP Wellington Photographer of the Year 2018
– NZIPP NZ Creative Photographer of the Year 2016

website: Catherine Cattanach
website: Good Headshots
book: Homage – an ode to Eryngium giganteum, a perennial thistle better known as Miss Willmott’s Ghost
Workflowy – The Best Way To Organize Your Thoughts

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“Just turn up”.

As a creative, some days are amazing. You’re thrilled. You’re excited. You’re inspired. You’re in your happy place and you can’t wait to build, craft, create.

Some days are tougher. Some days you can barely open the door.

Creativity is a habit, and the most important thing you can do, is “just front up“.

Join me with Sculptural Glass Maker Di Tocker, as we discuss so many great ideas and business practices. Di discusses, amongst many things:

  • the importance of figures in her work
  • thinking like glass (!!!)
  • living with your work for a while
  • diversity in income streams including teaching and becoming a supplier
  • studio efficiencies
  • curiosity and constantly learning
  • the utter importance of a support network
  • ...& so much more.

And, we discuss the dark times. Those times you can barely open the door. Those times you – literally – can’t get up, can’t walk. And how these will shape and define your future.

Some progress is better than no progress at all. A tiny step forward is better than going nowhere.

Breaking Art: The Podcast, episode #15, is Sculptural Glass Maker Di Tocker.

below images © Di Tocker

above images © Di Tocker

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As creatives, we’re so much more than just our title. It’s hard to brand ourselves using just a single word, and Yvette Edwards is no exception.

Yvette has experience as a ‘florist’, could possibly be identified as a ‘stylist’, but prefers to be identified as a ‘visual creative’. Nothing – no creative project – is beyond her. As creatives, we’ve got the ability, the resourcefulness, the knowledge, to say Yes, and figure it all out later.

Join Yvette in the Kombi, as we discuss a blossoming (!!!) botanical business, where having a presence in the middle of Wellington City is energising her business. We discuss the joys of running a business, of applying your creativity to everything – not just your products. We discuss staff and support. We discuss other creative outlets, and so, so much more.

Today’s guest, stylist Yvette Edwards.

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Scrappy, humourous, upfront & honest, insanely talented.

Illustrator Pepper Raccoon joined me in the Kombi to talk business: selling products & services, the value of humour, and quite simply – not being ashamed to sell your artwork.

to have a career you have to make money

Pepper also discussed diversity and a range of outputs, her beautifully rich and detailed stories of her education, and then Pepper’s environment: the piece of land she’s recently purchased, and working to create a “creative & horticultural nexus of experimentation and regeneration“.

Join my conversation with a genuine hard-working creative – someone unashamed to do what’s required to create a fulfilling creative future for herself.

I’m fine putting it on a t-shirt, I don’t care if that’s not considered high-brow

You can buy pins, patches, prints, stickers, & more at Pepper Raccoon’s online shop!

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Can you ever imagine how the toughest time in your life could possibly result in your career taking off?

Max Patte is the sculptor responsible for the iconic Wellington waterfront sculpture: Solace in the Wind.

Described by the artist as an “emotional portrait”, Solace is considered a physical representation of where he was emotionally at that stage of his life.

Max Patte has an illustrious career in the movie industry – particularly well regarded at Weta Workshop – and utilising his skills, connections, and resources, is now crafting artworks that sell for upwards of $20,000 each.

From clay sculpture through to CNC milling and led lighting, Max is most comfortable using his hands and power tools, and currently excited by bringing modern technology to art & sculpture.

On this 10 year anniversary of the Solace in the Wind sculpture on the Wellington waterfront, join Max in the Kombi as we discuss the journey from art school, to job opportunities, to making it on your own. The journey from desolation to solace.

instagram: @maxpatteart
facebook: @maxpatteartist
Wellington sculpture turns 10

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How does the public decide what art should take pride of place on their walls?

Should a piece of art be $40, $400, $4,000, or more?

What does an art gallery look like?

Today’s guest, Elliot from, is breaking the art rules and challenging the answers to all of these questions, and more.

From early beginnings as an e-commerce retailer of all things design, Elliot has an absolute passion for art – paintings, screen prints, fine art prints, letterpress, photographs – and has found his niche, successfully running a shared gallery & studio (in Ponsonby real estate!) selling thousands of pieces of art from New Zealand and International artists.

Cultivating a personal relationship with the artists he stocks is just one of the many touches that makes Elliot’s business such a success.

“Harder, Faster, More.”

Join us, as we discuss the early pivot from design to art, relationships with artists, defining a gallery space, supporting artists, supporting the paying public, the passion of business, the hustle, and so much more!

insta: @endemicworld

Some of Elliot’s favourite artists:
Georgie Malyon
Nigel Roberts
Mcleavey Gallery

Road trip companion: Malcolm Gladwell

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Ever had anyone cry while you were creating your art?

Ever had someone just want to hang out alongside you for hours as you craft and create, just because what you’re creating – how you’re creating it – is such an amazing process?

Today’s guest, photographer Paul Alsop, is bringing new solutions and technology to one of the oldest forms of photography: wet plate collodion photography.

At a time when we can create photographs within seconds, and create thousands of photographs per day, Paul’s creations take minutes, hours, sometimes weeks to pull together, and he’s created a body of just 2,000+ images in his entire career.

Paul is a true craftsman: part scientist, part artist.

The interesting thing, is the way Paul is balancing the trifecta of art, family, & income. They are – with perhaps a small overlap – very separate entities. And his enjoyment and love of photography hasn’t waned, he hasn’t experienced anything like burnout.

Maybe there’s a secret here!

Join us as we discuss the history of photography, the full tintype creative process, disrupting traditional methods, supporting your art with a real job, collaboration, and much more!

“There’s nothing more unhealthy than boxing yourself in, putting your elbows out, and keeping people away because you’re working on this thing you don’t want anybody to help you with.”

website: Paul Alsop – COLLODIONISM
instagram: @silver_sunbeams
facebook: @silversunbeams

capture mag: Australasia’s Top Emerging Photographer 2017

all below images © Paul Alsop
above images © Paul Alsop

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Disillusioned by self-driven success culture – Rui left his University architecture degree early to solve bigger problems.

“How might my deepest desire meet the world’s deepest need?”

With an orientation towards social justice, Rui – and his team at Critical Design – are solving problems by sharing everything they have, everything they know, with their community.

Rui’s interview should make you question your privilege.

Who else can your work benefit? Are you doing this for yourself, or can your community also reap the rewards of your creations?


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